Saturday, January 1, 2011

Anarchy, Security, and Freedom











In the last blog post, we told some stories about the government and how it impacts our everyday lives.

What if there was no government? What is the absence of government called?

Let's talk about anarchy in this post.

Anarchy, which as we mentioned in class is the absence of hierarchy, is an ideal concept. We can never find pure anarchy in real life.



Conditions in contemporary Somalia, however, offer an approximation to anarchy. Government in any formal sense has little practical hold on life there. Instead of an overarching government (what we call a "federal" government or even "local" government), there are competing tribes, clans, warlords, religious factions, mercenary groups, pirates, and so on throughout the territory.

Somalia has been consistently ranked as the worst failed state on the Failed States Index published annually by Foreign Policy magazine.

Yet, Benjamin Powell says:

It is hard to call any country mired in poverty an economic success. Yet by most measures Somalia’s poverty is diminishing and Somalia has improved living standards faster than the average sub-Saharan African country since the early 1990s. In that sense Somalia is at least a relative success story. The most interesting part of Somalia’s success is that it has all been achieved while the country has lacked any effective central government.

For many, the “A” word—anarchy—conjures up notions of chaos. For others it simply means the absence of a single government ruling a geographic area. In this second sense, Somalia has been in a state of anarchy since the fall of Siad Barre’s dictatorship in 1991. The result has been, in general, economic development rather than chaos—although there certainly have been chaotic periods. The interesting questions are how has development been promoted and what has caused the chaos.




In the film Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior, many people are heavily armed. No government means no police. In Somalia and post-Apocalyptic Australia alike, people must provide for their own security and they are free to make a living however they choose. Life, you might optimistically say, would be filled with surprise, action, and a level of risk beyond what most of us have ever experienced. Less optimistically, like Thomas Hobbes, we might say that life would be "solitary, nasty, brutish and short."

At the same time, the anarchy of Somalia and the anarchy of The Road Warrior is not chaotic. In post-Apocalyptic Australia, for instance, Lord Humongous as a following. He's clearly in charge and his band of marauders provide a level of collective security not available to most people living there. In Somalia, people are struggling in a more open and less structured fashion, but there is still a level of everyday order. Money is being made by some people and there is enough stability for some people to spend their money on goods (e.g. food, fuel, clothing) and services (e.g. pirating is a service that some people in Somalia provide).

What do you think? Does a place like the anarchical Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have something to offer that a governed society lacks? Does less government and less publicly provided security mean more freedom? Would you rather be secured by police officers that sometimes take liberties with their jobs, or would you rather be secured by Somalian technicals like those shown in the pictures above? Is the freedom that Mad Max has to roam the landscape worth the risk of anarchy? Is it 'really' freedom at all?

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  1. The only thing places like the anarchical Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have to offer that a governed society lacks is fear for their lives. Yes, they do have their “freedom” to do whatever they want but what good is freedom if you have to worry about how safe it really is to do normal everyday things like walking outside. The point of the government and publicly provided security is to protect your freedom; so things people have the right to do, like walking to their car without having to worry about getting killed on the way there. The less government and publicly provided security doesn’t mean more freedom. Less security means we have to spend more of our time and money making sure our rights is protected. Its true that police officers can sometime take liberties with their job but considering the alternative (Somalian technical) the police officer is looking pretty good!

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  2. I do agree with Susan. I lived in Venezuela south America and Colombia South America. and It was scary to walk around after 9pm. Even during the day, you had to have all of your items (jewelry etc) hidden in your pockets because you were afraid to get robbed. Even police officers didn't do much because they knew that nothing was going to get resolved. Now that I have lived in Spain and The United States, I much rather have publicly provided security, than been afraid to get killed or robbed all the time. Just like Susan said, the less government and publicly provided security doesn't mean more freedom.

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  3. I agree and disagree with the previous comments. I can see the reasoning of the previous comments as they fall in line with our nation's asssociation of the natural rights with freedom. However if we are speaking strictly about an individual's liberty, anarchy holds the most promise. With the absence of a hierarchy there are no restrictions upon your actions. One is literally at liberty to do whatever they please without assured interference from a higher power. Rest assured I would never want to live in that kind of world, but if man were perfect then such an arrangement would be acceptable. But man is not, and so we have need for government to stand up for those who are not as strong and give everyone a relatively equal chance for success in life. Such equality I believe is what our modern American definition of freedom is. (Brandon Nicholas 100.03)

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  4. Anarchy, on paper looks like a completely effective way to govern a country from an idealist's point of view. The thought that humans, based off of their own virtue are able to create a decent living enviroment is heronious. Humans are naturally greedy, some more than others,but when Locke stated that the only reason anarchy will not work is because somebody always tries to create a heiarchy is completely true.There needs to be a heiarchy in order to create a properly functioning society. ANARCHY WILL NEVER WORK!

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  5. I don't believe any of it's freedom. Everyone has to fight and work harder to survive and to get what they need. There's no order and everyone seems to become crazy or "mad." If there was no form of government our country would be beyond chaotic and everything would turn upside down. It's impossible to have an anarchy because there's always someone or a group of people who believe they know best or are the best. I agree with Dillon that anarchy will never work.

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  6. Places such as anarchical Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have nothing to offer except complete distaster. At first you may think it’s easier to have your own freedoms and take liberty in doing certain things your own way, but where is the security and safety? A governed society offers order, which is not always what we want, but it keeps us in line, in check, and not running after eachother with sharp weapons-aka exactly what mad max was all about.
    Today in class, the quote “the strong do what they can and the weak do what they must” really stood out to me. If your strong enough to have a system that involves struggles, then I say go for it. But, looking at it from a realistic point of view, all I can see with that kind of lifestyle is people only acting out of self-interest, not worrying about anyone but oneself, which does not get you very far in this day in age.

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  7. Anarchy really only creates disorder and fear for those with out physical power. With the government we live in, we have a lot of freedoms about how to live our lives. Our laws ensure that everyone has an equal right to happiness and peace. Less government and less security really only gives more freedom to those with the ability to gain power through force and charisma. For the average person, it just creates a state of constant fear. I would rather be secured by an organized police force because they at least have a set of rules they are supposed to follow. Somolian technicals aren't an organized governed force and so they have no organized procedures and therefore have no predictable course of action. The freedom that Mad Max has really isn't freedom at all. He always has to watch his back and his future is completely unsecured. He doesn't know where gas will be or if there is an ambush waiting over the next hill. There really is no freedom when one has to live in constant fear.

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  8. I feel like there needs to be heiarchy in order to keep society under control, organized and running. I personally like being secured by police officers then to have less government. I would rather feel protected then to have to constantly worry everyday, to me that isn't freedom.

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  9. I think at best, Somalia and post-Apocalyptic Australia can offer a life lesson to everyone. In Mad Max 2, nearly everyone shown knows how to use a gun, a bow, or a ranged weapon of some sort, in order to protect themselves. In Somalia, it is probably much the same, since everyone has a need for some sort of security. They either band together, or learn how to fight back themselves.

    Really the only other thing it could provide that a typical government does not is population control. With violence and shorter lifespans, there will be less time for sex, and having a child would be something that would slow a family down if they needed to vacate an area quickly. Also, it would turn into a "survival of the fittest" scenario, where only the most viable people would survive, and they would pass on their genes. Other than this, which I don't really view as positive or negative, there wouldn't be much to be offered in an anarchical society.

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  10. I believe that in no matter what situation, anarchy will not work. I feel as though a government must govern for places to function appropriately. By having people do anything they want becomes at times chaotic as mentioned. Although in Mad Maxx things were not extremely chaotic, they were however a very dangerous place to live in. I would not want to risk my life everyday because there is not set authority of police or whatever. To me, anarchy is just not possible and it cannot work. Although they may have "freedom" it's really not freedom because it becomes people fighting for what they need and if you get in the way you will be killed. Anarachy is just not a functional place to live.

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  11. In the Somalian and Post-Apocalyptic Australian communities, there is no REAL freedom. Freedom, as we think of it is, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Where did those ideas come from?... Our own Declaration of Independence designed by our government (key word government). Our government has set standards for freedom to the extent which we can still enjoy life without worrying about our survival. We don’t have to worry about being robbed or shot on a regular basis without our government interfering and protecting us. Our protection is our right given by the government- justice. Justice is exactly what Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia do not have. They fend for their lives on a daily basis. At least with a hierarchical government we can look forward to being alive, well, and protected tomorrow. There is no way that I can possibly give any form of Anarchy the benefit of the doubt and look at in a positive way. The “freedom” that comes along with Anarchy only creates a dysfunctional and fearful society. I would much rather be secured by an officer than a Somalian technical. The police have a specific job to enforce laws to make our communities a safe and functional place to live, unlike the technicals.

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  12. I think that a place like anarchical Somalia or post-Apocolyptic Australia has nothing of value to offer it's citizens. Governed societies have much greater protection and you would not have to risk your life everyday just to perform daily activities that, on the other hand, cause no concern to individuals in governed societies. Yes of courseyou would be able to do whatever you please in a society lacking government but what is there that is so different that you would risk loosing your life to do? Crime? Laws are made in governed societies to keep its citizens protected. If there were no laws, you would be in fear of loosing your life and thats not how anyone should live. I would much rather be secured by police officers than Somalian technicals who do as they please. Police officers have dignity and live by fair rules to help others. They do not carry around machine guns and look for people to murder who do the slightest thing wrong, or nothing wrong at all. The so called freedom that Mad Max has is, in my opinion, absolutely not worth the isk of Anarchy. If you were controlled by government, there is nothing you cant do with the exception of crime which endangers people in the first place. It is not freedom because you must worry about loosing your life everyday and you live in crime and constant fear. That is not freedom to me.

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  13. I agree with all these recent comments. Anarchy is a disaster! I would not want to live in a society where there is no control what so ever. I rather have a since of some security and safety of my well being. I cannot even begin to imagine what would happen to this country if we ever slipped this low. Walking on edge and having to take protection into our own hands as individuals would only be worse.

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  14. i agree with most of the recent comments. Freedom? What is it really? The cost of ur freedom is our peoples lives. So in the end we pay for our freedom one way or another. However I do agree that we have to have some sort of government in order to keep order in our society. I agree with Brandon that the government leads us in different directions. Hierarchy gives us laws to obey and consequences for our actions. Anarchy however causes chaos and turmoil. If everyone could do what they wanted, we would have a one person world because everyone else would be obsolete. Yet even in an anarchy society, someone will always try to be the hierarchy. So there never will be a total anarchial society. It can be a lonesome road, or a group therapy session.

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  15. I agree with a majority of the people who posted before me that anarchy is a horrendous way for a society to live. Even though police officers can be a nuisance at times, living in a society with security is a million times better than living in a society with no security at all. As Susan said, people have to constantly fear for their own lives every single day when they live in an anarchical society. To an extent, there is more freedom within an anarchical society, but I would definitely choose a society that had security before I'd choose a society with no security at all. Freedom isn't worth the scare of being hurt or killed every day. Yes, Somalia's economy has been improving after they overthrew their leader, but they tend to get goods in unacceptable ways, such as pirating. The pirates are constantly stealing goods for their own good and for the people they like. What happens to all of the other people in Somalia? They starve because their is no government to protect their rights. They may have the freedom of doing whatever they want, just as Mad Max does, but what is it truly worth? Mad Max has the freedom to roam the landscape whenever he wants, but there is constantly people after him for something they don't have (gasoline). Just like Mad Max, Somalia is most likely the same way because people have the freedom to hurt anyone to get what they want. The freedom isn't worth it!

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  17. To answer the questions, from the struggle these countries face, they have more to offer than many of us Americans who are born into this life and have it easy. These people have had to work to survive, do what they need, just like in class, the poor do what they need to do. So, put in a difficult situation, they may have better skills to use than we do. Technically, less government and security would mean we have more freedom, we wouldn't have rules to abide by or worrying that our actions would cost us legal penalties, but in contrast to that, I don't think many of the activities we do today could happen. Maybe without the security, we could go out and just steal from stores and not get caught, but eventually those stores will run out of supplies. We could walk around doing what we want, but what really is there to do if people aren't civilized? Yes, we would have more freedom, but I don't think that it is the kind of freedom you would want. I would rather be secured by the police officers we have today. Whether you like what they do or not, order is kept because of it, and people go on with their lives just about how they want. You can't really do that in the suffering countries. In Mad Max, I don't think there is freedom at all nor is the anarchy worth the risk. Everyone has to fend for themselves. People will even kill over the necessities they need such as gas. In our society we can get the things we need in a civilized manner and not have to worry too much about what the person beside us will or can do.

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  18. I do not believe that less government and less security means more freedom. If there were no police officers governing everyone's behaviors, this world would be a mad house! I would be afraid to walk outside of my house in fear of being attacked or shot by an outraged passerby. Mad Max does not experience any freedom. If he had a great deal of freedom, he would not have to constantly watch his back and try to protect the gas supplies that he has built up. I do not think society will function without a hierarchical figure in control.
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  19. I can't help but to look at what we are afraid of today and compare it with what we may have if we had an anarchial society. The crime is so bad in some areas that people are already afraid to walk down the street or allow their children to play outside. This is a scary thought. Mad Max was a free man. He cared for himself and his dog. But when all he had left was gone, he needed help to survive. He needed purpose. This just goes to show that we can not survive alone. We need support, a way to survive. Freedom does not mean we are safe. That is why the government has control. It is based on fear.

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  21. One thing needed to be taken into account here is the number of people that might be in an anarchical society. For instance, if a plane crashes on a desert island, and 10 people survive, anarchy might sprout out. It would be more likely that anarchy occurs than a dictatorship, but I think that some sort of democratic order would be most likely to develop.
    If the U.S. suddenly falls into anarchy, which to me seems outrageously unlikely, I do not think it would work. Not because anarchy could or could not be functional elsewhere, but because out governmental order in the U.S. is so strong. Considering the latest population count of 311,952,416, and the loyalty to the land our citizens have, anarchy does not seem like something I or any other American would be exposed to.
    I would not like to live in a country left in anarchy such as Somalia. I do not think I would feel "free" in a country state such as that, especially considering I'm a white American. Even if I had the option or choice to reincarnate my current body into a native Somalian, I would decline the offer. Though the U.S. has many rules, laws and regulations that I strongly disagree with, I would rather stay here where I am than Live in Anarchy. I enjoy the security of the tri-state area, and though certain areas of Baltimore and D.C. can be so sketchy they may SEEM like a state of anarchy, our country appears to give off the illusion of a better choice to live. I wound not want to raise a child in a place with no "real government," which says that not only do I want my individual security in the U.S., I will certainly want a secure government to live with my kin and future children.

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  22. Like said many times…anarchy pretty much only looks good on paper! We all say we hate police men, or lawyers, etc. but just think...without them the world would be complete chaos. The people living in Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia seem like they have the easy life, with being able to do what they want when they want. But we only see the good part of living like that; they still have to worry about getting robbed, raped, and murdered. With living in hierarchy, we have police men to protect us. I would much rather live with all the rules we have and feel safe (not have to worry about getting mugged while walking down the street). Then live in Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia and have all the freedom in the world, but no protection what so ever. In my view anarchy is a complete disaster and never really works!

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  23. I believe that anarchy, much like Communism, looks good when on paper, but once it is enacted, anarchy doesn't work as well as some thought. While people in Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia are free to roam as they please, they are constantly having to worry about being robbed, raped, or killed. In a society with one ruling government, the people don't have to worry about those things as much. An established government provides security to it's citizens whereas an anarchical society provides little security; the only security is that which is provided to oneself by himself or herself. The upside to this is that nearly everyone knows self-defense and how to use a weapon of some sort. The freedom that Mad Max has to roam the landscape is not worth the risk of anarchy.

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  24. The way our government today is pretty much ideal for this time in society and the country that we live in. Yes, there are always the problems with it and a lot of things people would love to change. But looking at the bigger picture it is what is best for this country. Like a lot of people have mentioned in earlier posts anarchy is an ideal way to run a society and maybe a little state but no way to run entire country like America. Also in Mad Max we saw the different people running around in pretty much what looked like the middle of no where and having freedom, but that to me is no life i would want to live in. No protection, no hospitals, no education, no higher power to tell you what to do. As much of a pain in the ass police or the government per say can be. We are so lucky to have them protect us and save lives everyday!

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  25. Anarchy seems like a fun thing in my mind as a larger male I would be capable to hold my on in some situTions but without the over arching authority I would only last as long as I'm strong or not over run. I believe it is much safer to live in and deal with a top down governmental control. The Somolian tribes constant struggle for power is endless and tiring for everyone that it effects except the lords and chiefs in secure positions but eventually they will be over ridden with age or overpowered.
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  26. I agree with Kasey. I think that although Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia are "free", they still suffer. In the United States, I feel that government and some sort of power is needed because otherwise, our country would be a disaster. Jobs and money are controlled by the government and without either one, I feel like the country would be a mess. Since we're so used to having the securities of police and government, that makes us a little spoiled. In other countries, they're on their own and have no one else to really lean on or count on for security. We have that, and I think without it, we would be frantically scattering looking for a place to hide. Personally, I would be petrified if there were anarchy in the United States. I could leave the house and be killed at any moment. It's a scary thought.
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  27. Being used to the governmental society I live in I don't believe that Anarchy would work. Sure, Somalia is used to it, but I can't help but wonder if they would understand how we live here in America with everything outlined as it is, for us. (laws, etc) I mean there is a big difference in how they go about their everyday lives, compared to how people in America go about theirs. I personally appreciate that I can walk out to my truck at 12a if i want and in the fore front of my mind I am not worried about being raped or killed. Thought we complain about our government quiet excessively we at least have an option (for the most part) who we want to represent us. Yes, it may seem the police are never around when you need them, and are ALWAYS around when you don't but you have to take the good with the bad. Mad Max may be FREE to do what he wishes, but there is always someone bigger and badder per say, and they could take that idea of freedom away whenever they saw fit.

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  28. I think everyone has to work hard to survive and get what they need. We go to work and do what we have to do everyday to survive. Anarchy will never work because there is always going to be a certain group of people that believe they know better than everyone else does. If America was an anarchy it would be a mess because there would be a mass amount of groups and chaos running around because there would be no order and no security being enforced publicly. Although, with government today some issues get out of hand at first but the government handles them quickly before anything escalates further.


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  29. "Too much of a good thing is a bad thing" and I believe the same goes for freedom. I would not like to live in anarchy. I personally like being able to walk down the street without having to look over my shoulder constanly, and I really like the fact I have a nice warm bed to sleep in everynight with no worries of being killed in the middle of the night. I agree there will be a sense of population control but only because there will be constant warfare and who wants to live like that?! Nothing is perfect, including our government, but the alternative will not be beneficial for anyone. Anarchy is not freedom!

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  30. The only thing that Somalia and Post-Apocalyptic Australia offer that governed society doesn't is the "freedom" to do almost anything unless they can be stopped by another individual. I don't really think either anarchy or government have more freedom that the other it's just the type of freedom they offer is different.You can choose between the freedom to feel like you don't have to sleep with a gun under your pillow or the freedom to do as you want and not be restricted. In this age the only way anarchy would work is if everyone had their own weapon to defend themselves (like in the probability proach). Even without rules people charish their own live enough not to chance it and the ones that kill just to kill might do so even with a government. However, without weapons to even things out i would have to agree that anarchy would more than likely not work because someone strong will always be there to do what they "can".

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  31. I feel that without government we would all be running around trying to survive on our own and fight over silly things like oil. It's nice to have the government there as a set of rules or guidelines to live by and to help maintain a control in society. I think that anarchy is free in a sense because there is no one laying down the law for you; however, that is not always the best thing. I think that government is important and I'm glad that we have it.

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  32. Sorry Professor Stump! I posted my blog yesterday, but I forgot to put my name and section. Here my post is again with the information.

    I agree with a majority of the people who posted before me that anarchy is a horrendous way for a society to live. Even though police officers can be a nuisance at times, living in a society with security is a million times better than living in a society with no security at all. As Susan said, people have to constantly fear for their own lives every single day when they live in an anarchical society. To an extent, there is more freedom within an anarchical society, but I would definitely choose a society that had security before I'd choose a society with no security at all. Freedom isn't worth the scare of being hurt or killed every day. Yes, Somalia's economy has been improving after they overthrew their leader, but they tend to get goods in unacceptable ways, such as pirating. The pirates are constantly stealing goods for their own good and for the people they like. What happens to all of the other people in Somalia? They starve because their is no government to protect their rights. They may have the freedom of doing whatever they want, just as Mad Max does, but what is it truly worth? Mad Max has the freedom to roam the landscape whenever he wants, but there is constantly people after him for something they don't have (gasoline). Just like Mad Max, Somalia is most likely the same way because people have the freedom to hurt anyone to get what they want. The freedom isn't worth it!

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  33. Humans are naturally selfish. Because of this, they express emotions such as greed, want, and envy. In an anarchic situation, human nature takes over and a collective need for hierarchy is expressed. The reason for this longing is yet another product of human nature; a need for security. Each and every person shares this longing for safety and comfort. In an anarchical situation those are the furthest from reality. An anarchic situation offers little to better humanity, other than a society that forces its inhabitants to learn quickly, and by force, new ways of survival and maturity. This "freedom" that an anarchic situation is often associated with is more of a forced independence than a choice. In a state of anarchy a common theme is survival of the fittest. That "freedom" is tainted with the constant threat of personal violation directed towards you from other people.

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  34. I believe some form of government is necessary if people want to enjoy freedom. While anarchy may allow individuals absolute freedom I believe our quality of life would be diminished. Out of necessity, people would spend a majority of their time defending their property and fighting for their life, this would leave little time for enjoying freedom. According to psychologist Abraham Maslow, people are interested in growing and not just surviving, but in order to grow basic needs must be met first. Maslow's hierarchy of needs points out, only when physiological needs (food, sleep, shelter) and saftey needs are met do people even begin to think about satisfying their need for love, achievement, or self-realization. These are the qualities that give rise to culture and human connection. Government helps ensure my basic needs are met so I can give attention to things like education, art, science, and leisure. Personally I feel that any liberties I give up in exchange for a government, that ultimately serves to protect me and allows for me to have opportunity for growth, are very minimal when compred to the freedoms I would lose without a governing body.
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  35. Without a doubt, police and governing officials are needed in order to maintain a safe, sturdy lifestyle. We all hear about Americans being "oppressed" by the law and freedom being limited. I would love to see the same people who complain about the lack of respect recieved by our government and police officers be placed in truely chaotic conditions. Living in fear is not something anybody in America is familiar with due to law enforcement. Although we all hate getting speeding and traffic tickets, the police are in place for a greater good. Not everybody gets a chance to see it though.

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  36. Anarchy is not a way to live at all. The initial thought that there would be freedom in anarchy is false. As discussed in class today: anarchy involves a constant struggle and helping people. No person is ever free if they are struggling to live. To constantly live in fear and in need is no way to live. I would much rather live in a society with a hierarchy and "bad cops" than in a society with no government and constant fighting to survive. Government provides security and I, and the rest of humans today, would rather be guaranteed security than have to always be looking over our shoulders, securing ourselves.

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  37. I feel that living with an anarchial goverment has its ups and downs. Yes you may be free to do what ever, but how much freedom do you really have. You live day to day never knowing whether or not your gonna live through the day/night. I strongly agree with Stephanie with the face that I would rather be governed through a hierarchy with police that may not be the greatest, than living to survive every day life.

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  38. Anarchy, a less governed society and less governed society does mean more freedom. But, it is not the freedom that people need. It is having to fear for the lives of ones self and their families. Anarchy means always having to worry that all you work for will be taken by someone stronger who is willing to use more force to live. Though we do not always agree with the way police officers to their jobs, I would rather have them to keep us save and the government to punish those that threaten others. I would not want to live in an anarchial society, waking up everyday wondering what is going to happen and having to worry for my safety everytime i walk out my front door. I would rather live with the laws and government of our society knowing that I am safe.
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  39. Anarchy provides alot more freedom than a governed society does in some ways. However where the police might take liberties in a governed society sometimes, in a less governed society the cost can be much higher. Instead of geting a fine or jail time for doing something not approved of like in a governed society, in a less governed one, the price is much higher. It would be prefered to live in a governed society that protects us and we don't have to worry about any threats as much as we would in a less goverened society.

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  41. The only thing places like the anarchical Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have to offer are governed societies that lack a sense fear for their lives. Yes, they do have a type freedom to do whatever they want, but what good is freedom if you have to worry about how safe it really is to do normal everyday things like shopping or walking the dog. The point of the government and publicly provided security is to protect your freedom like things people have the right to do, like shopping for food without having to worry about getting killed in the store or on the way to or from it. Less government and publicly provided security doesn’t mean more freedom. Less security means we have to worry about making sure our rights are protected. It's true that police officers can sometimes take liberties with their job but considering the alternative like the guys in mad max that looked like cops, the police officers in our society look like a way better group to deal with.
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  42. Hannah Hime PSCI 100.04

    I don't believe Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have something to offer to governed societies. Although there may be more freedom, there is more obscene ways of being "punished" (punished in the way that other people go against what you are doing), in the post-Apocalyptic Australia is was often death. In many governed societies, there is prison for the choices you make (the death penalty isn't even effective in all states.)I have heard about Somalia since about the 8th grade and how people have thought it needs help. Other countries, specifically the US naturally has helped Somalia because we as Americans feel that a country should not be in such an ungoverned state and struggle between its people.

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  43. People believe they are not free because of all the restrictions and rules that government has placed in front of us as a whole and an individual. As much as we complain about how these rules take away our freedom, we don’t think about how these rules help protect us. When I think of Somaila, I go back to the quote by “The strong do what they can, and the weak do what they must”; which makes me think of total chaos because everybody is trying to survive an everyday constant struggle for food, water, and supplies. They always have to be on heightened alertness, because at anytime somebody could come and attack them. While us with a governed society, we don’t always have to be looking over our shoulders because we have rules set in place that protects us and our safety. So I see Mad Max 2, Somaila, and post-Apocalyptic Australia as a society we should try to avoid becoming. Yes, at times the regulations government sets seem extreme or useless, but in the end they are only do what they think is best for the people of the society. Lindsey Walls PSCI 100.04

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  44. There is another way to think of anarchy. Think of it this way: there is not one true ruler of the world. There is not even one single ruler to a singular continent. So one could argue that we are living in anarchy now. We follow the rules (or we are supposed to) of the place in which we are born. But we also have a choice to change the place of our residency. True there are some constrictions on moving, but it still can be done. Oe way to think of this is that we are all the little clusters of marauders living in the big world - only on a much bigger scale. Since things are amplified to such great heights it takes a long time for any source of outbreak, or fighting to go on between the different countries. I think that World War I and World War II could pose as a perfect example of how we live in a anarchy, and how that anarchy can indefinitely lead to chaos. But at the same time we all go on living. So people that simply state that anarchy doesn't work, probably haven't considered how it is an active part of the world as a whole. I'm not sure that I have explained my idea correctly.

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  45. I believe the biggest problem with Anarchy and no centralized government is the lack of organization. Yes, people will have the ability to make their own decisions and in Somalia some business and economic success may be found. But I do not see how any economic success or security could be found because there wouldn't be things like secure banks, places to make money, or social security or anything that protects your money. So basically at all times a person would have to carry all of their goods around such as money and food. And since there would be no justice or police, those things could easily be stolen from you. So Anarchy might allow for more freedom and a person or groups ability to prosper economically, but there will be no security.

    I don't believe Anarchy means complete freedom. Freedom is defined as the absense of neccessity, constraint, or coercion of an action. In Anarchy, if you are not strong or in a state of power then many of your actions are limited to protect yourself. This is why I believe Anarchy could never work.

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  47. The only benefits of Anarchy that I can think of are, you are providing your own security for yourself. There can be a down side to that but looking at the benefits. You dont have to spend money on taxes because there would be no higher government. You basically do what you want, make what you want, grow what you want. These seem challenging to most people but years of learning would allow you to adapt to this new way of life. Less government and less publicly provided security is more freedom for a fact. You also have to ask yourself what would be out there that isnt yours. Territory for example, if you trespas on someone else' territory you are probably going to endanger yourself. Someone else is trying to protect his or her crops, livestock, goods, etc. Personally I would want to be protected by police officers but some people in this world disagree with me and would want the opposite. They might see the benefits of their own security. They might have have been traumatized by authority or whatever the case may be.

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  48. In a state of anarchy the people have no overseeing power. This allows the strong to intimidate and control the weaker people. Those who oppose the force of the strong sometimes form into groups to gain stability and strength and more groups begin to arise. Eventually there are several groups fighting over land, supplies, and control.

    I personally see no good coming from anarchy, you have absolute freedom no rules, no consequences. However there is also no security, no protection, and no money. you would have to steal, and scrounge to get by.Always watching over your shoulder, defending yourself. Its no way to live.


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  50. Anarchy means no power, it does not mean chaos, however i think that with anarchy comes chaos. If you look at anarchical somolia things are crazy as you can see in the pictures it is basically a civil war. There are tribes and cultural groups that don't get along and instead of having anyone see over them to make things neutral they are at war with eachother, carrying wepons and firing at random. I do not think an anarchy is freedom, although people are doing whatever they want whenever they want, i think freedom has a different meaning. Freedom means rights. You have the right to do something, to express how you feel. With no government people take advantage of that and that is how chaos and problems arise. Although police officers can be a hassle as far as speeding tickets go, i would much rather be policed and watched over by someone than nothing at all. There's a reason that police officers police us; so that we are safe and don't get into accidents. The saying "better safe than sorry" defintely comes into play when talking about having a government or not.

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  51. Although technically in an anarchical society everyone is free to do what they will, that does not end up being the case. The stronger people will always find a way to intimidate and cause fear in the weak. Therefore, the weak are not at liberty to do what they want and are in constant fear. Who would want to live constantly afraid for their life?

    Governments like ours provide the protection and security in order for us to live out our lives in relative peace. Yes, we may not be able to do certain things, but we are pretty darn close to total freedom as it gets. We just get the added benefits of feeling secure and being protected both locally and nationally.

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  52. I think of anarchy as survival of the fittest because there is one person who is the stronger of the others, while everyone else has to listen to the high power or there will be consequences. I dont beleive its the best way to govern a society because I would think the people would get sick of getting bossed around, everyone wants to have to freedom for certain things. Like in Mad Max lord Humugous didnt want his apperentice to go after Max and when he got back his punshment was to be strapped to the front of the truck.

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  53. People today are always going to complain about government no matter how good the economy is, how how low gas is, even how good the leader is elected. when put into into a state of anarchy all these become uncertain.the fight for survival is left up to the biggest and baddest.to have police ensure your safty would be your best bet for survival. even-though on some occasions they do take advantage of their power it is not all the time. with vigilantes they can take your food at will and take their anger out on whoever they feel willing.

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  54. I went on a road trip to Florida to camp with my older brother a couple months ago. I felt free and forget about everything for a week. Although we were camping, we still were under the government’s thumb following the regulations of parks, such as, where we could and could not camp or set up camp fires. I would love to live a month (probably a week) outside of a government just to let go of all responsibilities to society.

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  55. Ian Hickman 100.05
    Anarchy would not be beneficial to the overall wellbeing of society. If eliminating government leads one to believe they would gain more freedom and liberty, they must think again. It is inevitable that in every society there will be individuals who seek power. In an unlawful society that allows individuals to seek power through any method they wish, and it should be assumed that the competitiveness and wickedness underlying human nature would drive the effort to obtain power. The strongest most ambitious warrior of a man thus would obtain tyrant-like power, the cycle would then start over with the tyrant fighting to maintain power and others seeking it. Without government there would be no established institutions in a nation (i.e. military,education,health care, postal service, FDA, DEA,ect.), which means there would literally be a lack of an economy because it would be a free-for-all standoff to access goods and supplies. With competition for scarce resources, violence should be expected. Liberty, happiness, and safety are all nonfactors in anarchical societies, because stability and order can never be maintained, the state is always in competing conflict. Many take for granted the established government system we have in the United States, however; government is truly the nucleus to our society, it is the driving factor that allows society to exist.

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  56. I like being able to walk outside of my house,knowing that i'll be okay. I like the feeling of getting in my car going to point A to point B and there is 99% chance that i will get to my distination safely. The fact that I can walk around and not look over my shoulder every five minutes to see if im safe and knowing that the car driving past me is mostly likely not a sucide bomber. To me, with anarchy you can't have that,okay so yeah with anarchy you pretty much have all the freedom you want but with anarchy you don't have safety and to me,what is freedom without safety? One day we are all pretty much going to be parents and when I have childern,the one thing i want for them in the world is to be safe.However,you can't have that with anarchy

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  57. Yasmine said: "I think that World War I and World War II could pose as a perfect example of how we live in a anarchy, and how that anarchy can indefinitely lead to chaos. But at the same time we all go on living. So people that simply state that anarchy doesn't work, probably haven't considered how it is an active part of the world as a whole. I'm not sure that I have explained my idea correctly."

    I think that Yasmine might be on to something here. Is anarchy already a part of our world? In international relations, there is no higher authority than the individual states (e.g. china, usa, canada, etc). This means that the international system is anarchic. There was no authority who could tell the US not to intervene during WWI or WWII. Similarly, there was no global authority who could make the combatents stop fighting WWI or WWII.

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  58. David H. said: "I went on a road trip to Florida to camp with my older brother a couple months ago. I felt free and forget about everything for a week. Although we were camping, we still were under the government’s thumb following the regulations of parks, such as, where we could and could not camp or set up camp fires. I would love to live a month (probably a week) outside of a government just to let go of all responsibilities to society."

    You can live without government. You just have to get to Somalia, the Pankisi gorge in Afghanistan, and certain mountainous regions of Asia. The government has a great difficulty reaching them and so they are basically anarchical regions.

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  59. I don't think we have a form of anarchy in the U.S. Some people may say that they go through with anarchy, but in reality they are still apart of the hiearchy. They say they don't want to be like the law and make their own decisions, but the government helped them try and stabalize the revolt. I do believe that other countries can have anarchy. If their country is being destroyed and the people that are in their government is killed. It ends up being a defend for yourself kind of civilization. You are the only one who can defend you.

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  60. I've never lived in any society where anarchy has been an issue. I will say that I would prefer to have officers who take liberties over having a type of anarchy government. I feel much more protected knowing that there are people out there who are willing to stand up for the common good of people and protect our rights. It doesn't seem fit to me to have a government where there is no true sense of stability. Even in the times that America is struggling through right now, I feel much more protected in this government than if I were forced to live in an anarchy system.

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  61. The only thing I see that having no government has over government is freedom. I don't believe that having all the freedom in the world is better than just having what is allowed with government because people can hurt you and your family and you hav no one to turn to to help. I would rather have law enforcement to fall back on, and laws versus nothing at all. Mad Max may be able to roam as he pleases, but he is lacking the feel of a family and stability. He doesn't know what is going to be up the road waiting for him, or when he will have another meal. If he were to stick with the stable group he would probably have more protection because they fight together versus him fighting alone.
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  62. Kathryn Stevens
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    I think that an anarchy government would be good and bad. It would be cool to see no cops and have the freedom to do as you please. If there were no cops I could have sped and never got that $300 ticket. To have the freedom to go out and do whatever you wanted sounds fun but dangerous. If there were no cops then I feel there be more violence and people getting away with things. I feel that anarchy is chaos and would lead to people in groups like Mad Max fighting against each other for something like power or money. In Somalia it looks scary and run down. The living situation is dirty and empty. I am actually happy that we don't have an anarchy government and feel more secure.

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  63. Chris Schildt PSCI 100.3

    No government does not necessarily relate to more freedom. In fact I believe that less government alludes to less freedom. The power is shifted from political figures and representatives to the everyday person. With no over arching authority everyone in theory should have equal power. However, as humans we tend to exercise our individual power without even knowing. We are constantly in a struggle amongst ourselves to be greater than our neighbor. This in a situation dealing with anarchy leads to an open struggle among all people. Less government does not necessarily correlate to more freedom.

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  64. Katherine Martin PSCI 100.04

    I feel that no government actually gives more freedom to the people. Since everyone is on the same level and there is no political figure telling you what youre doing is right or wrong people are free to do as they please. However, that amount of freedom isn't always good for people. I feel it would be very interesting to see a full out Anarchy take place, but I would rather have the protections that I have on a daily basis. It may just be because it's what I'm used to or that I'm scared of the concept of not having the protection I have on a day to day basis, but either way I would not feel comfortable in an Anarchy. Seeing places like Somalia make it seem like it could possibly be working for them, but I dont think that that would work here in the United States.

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  66. The idea of anarchy is just a scary concept to me. While I might not agree with how the government is always run it does provide me with a sense of security. I know that when I leave my house I don't need to carry a gun to protect myself or my family. I know that crime can happen in any society, but it is not the norm in my life. I think that if the government collapsed in the United States today, it would be pure chaos. People would be fighting to protect what is theirs and then fighting for food, water, and whatever else they deem important to them. I do think that things would calm down, but in the beginning when everything is so unsure it would be chaos. When I look at the pictures above it just scares me to think that in everyday society I would have to carry around a gun to protect myself and my family.
    I do not think you would be any freer in anarchy than you would be having a government. In anarchy you would always have to worry about someone taking what belongs to you away. You would always be looking over your shoulder and would have a very hard time trusting anyone. This to me is not freedom. Freedom is a very tricky word, I do believe that in the United States we have a good amount of freedom and we have an opportunity to live pretty much how we choose. I also feel that people cannot handle complete freedom because in order to be truly free no one can be in control of you and this leads us right back to anarchy where your freedom is taken away by fear. So in the end none of us are ever truly free.

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  67. Yasmin's description about the entire world being in a state of anarchy and each country governing itself against the rest is very interesting. It does indeed parallel what we saw in Mad Max; separate forces, one ruled by force, the other by cooperation and desire to achieve something together. Very interesting to think of it that way.

    Christina Page really hits the nail on the head with the idea of Maslow's hierarchy of needs - food, sleep, shelter - and ultimately, safety. In anarchal societies such as Somalia, the people are free to do what? The definition of freedom is as varied as the countries of the world, but I think that a society which forces people to focus on survival is constricting and dangerous. Life will not be joyful, filled with simple pleasures such as flying a kite on the beach, for who would take the time to make a kite (and use precious resources)when there is a need to forage for the days food supply.

    I would prefer the ordered government which takes a few liberties to the freedom that Max has to roam the countryside. He has the freedom to roam, but does he enjoy it? Will he be able to paint landscapes of what he's seen? Or write a memoir about his adventures? Or simply pass his own knowledge of minimalist survival to the next generation?

    Do I believe we are overtaxed and over-governed in America? Yes. Do I prefer it to the choices (freedom) I would have in Somalia? Absolutely.

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  68. I think that there could be some things that a society living in anarchy would have that we in a governed society don't, the pros would not out weigh the cons. There are many many people in this world that are physically week and an anarchical society would not allow those people to survive. Basically only the strong and those who have certain needed skills would survive.

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  69. A place such as Somalia offers responsibility. Mutual aid is the key to anarchy and that is what a governed society lacks. In a governed society not many people come together to help one another out. Every person keeps to him or herself. In anarchy, its about overcoming a struggle; therefore, the people have the responsibility of helping one another out to gain freedom. Like the old saying “with freedom comes responsibility.” I think that less government and less publicly provided security only means more freedom if everyone is willing to work together to get there. However, there is always someone who is stronger and wants it all. These people who try to take over and are greedy only make people want the security of a government and police officers. There will never be freedom without the help of the world which surrounds you.

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  70. Morgan Gabriel PSCI 100.05

    Anarchy does not necessarily mean chaos, it just means that there is no enforced authority. If there were no government, I think criminals would take over. There would be no way to control it because there would be no laws. I think that anarchy is a way for people to have more freedom, but I think it is a lot worse than having a government. Government keeps us safe, and I would not want to live in a pace such as Somalia where I may be scared for my life.

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  72. I believe that our government needs improvements in certain areas such as in education and the health care system and less in politics. But I do not believe we need less government to make it any better. With less government there is less security and that is something im not willing to lessen on. I have been to other countries and seen how different our is to theirs and believe me we are pretty spoiled on our rights and freedoms. I have seen places where kids are holding guns and who do not go to school and places where there is no homes but huts and they are begging for money to feed their children. These places don’t have governments as strong or as caring for the people as our is. I highly believe everyone needs to travel a lot more before they have such low opinions of our own government.I rather have half my freedoms taken away for security of my well being then to live in a fearful society of chaos or in an anarchy type of world where there is no order for people to abide by. The fact is if there was no order people would do whatever they wanted not fearing punishment in which anything would go including our personal freedoms first.

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  73. A place like Somalia, where it lacks a governed society, may offer freedom but not the kind of secured freedom that people desire. When I say secured freedom, I’m referring to the freedom of being able to feel safe and sound in an area or going places without thinking about the constant threat that may lie ahead or have to worry about different warlords. I think that government, a righteous government that is, offers society security. Government is what people create with the common focus for the betterment of people, so therefore police officers, even if some do take liberties with their jobs, offer the general public to carry on with their daily lives as they please and not having to constantly look over their shoulders. Like we learned in class how people peer-police and surveillance keeps people in line, how people should be behaving in society to make living more comfortable for people. That is, surveillance to a certain extent not that it takes away complete privacy. So what is freedom if the mind isn’t free of constant worry of what may happen next. Mad Max is an example of how he simply tried to carry on living but was always on the watch for himself and was constantly worried, whereas a man in a governed society knows that the possible chance of walking outside his or being ambushed for gasoline are quite low because in a way he knows that government is looking out for him. How is government looking out for him? Well knowing that if something were to happen that he may have the police to refer to. Also, if one knows that there are punishments for crimes then in a way I think it prevents the likelihood of one committing the crime.
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  74. I believe that government is crucial. Although political figures and individuals working for the government often take advantage of their positions, it is a relatively small price to pay considering what life could be like with the complete absence of government. The grass always looks greener on the other side, and people think that without the control of the government they would have more freeodoms. I believe however, that without a government the majority of our rights and liberties would be stripped away. Instead of constantly complaining we should take a look at the benefits the government provides, and try and make a difference and change the aspects we do not particualrlly like.

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  75. I don’t think Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia have anything to offer to the people who live there. The people who live there are going to be constantly fighting to survive. When there is a government it provides the people security and they won’t have to be always being fighting others to survive. Even if some police officers take liberties with their jobs it still gives a person a sense of security and there is always going to be someone to make sure that the town is safe and not fearing for your life. Even if anarchy gives you a little more freedom to do some things, I would rather feel safe than just have that little bit more of freedom.

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  76. I don't really think anarchy has much to offer anyone in a general sense. As been stated before it's a lot of fighting for your life with not much gain. I guess those in their respected groups might feel they are ok but what about those people not in groups? The competition for resources and constant fighting keeps people from really getting anything accomplished. I would rather have "Big Brother" watching me than to spend my life in fear for myself or the people I care about. Eventually you'll get one group that will overtake the rest and will force their ideas and opinions on the rest of the general public, there-by forming a government. This transition, however, could take years and during that time how many lives and advancements will be lost?
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  77. In a country like Somalia or post-Apocalyptic Australia, there may be less security and government which means more freedom but their freedom comes at a cost. With no security force in action, the country is bound to be overrun by clans, warlords and other competing forces. With no hierarchy, there is a constant struggle for power and the people will suffer more because of the aggressors than they would with a government. I believe there must be some sort of governing system put into place to ensure the safety and well-being of the citizens. Who wants to be afraid to walk outside and perform normal, everyday activities? I sure don’t. I would much rather be protected by police officers, even if they sometimes take advantage of their title, than have “freedom” that may cost me my life.

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  78. I feel as though people are always trying to hard to survive in these anarchist societies, almost as if you have to kill to live. It's all very strange, and I sure as hell am glad I'm not living in Somalia right now. Ross Tamaccio Psci 100.03

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  79. While every government has its faults and can be opressive, there is a certain comfort that comes with the stability and services that an organized government can provide. I would rather have to follow the rules and regulations for peace of mind when it comes to my safety. Anarcy doesn't ensure freedom; at least not based on the few and flawed examples seen around the world. It all comes to what you consider freedom. In a structured government we don't have to spend all of our time searching for the basic necessities. We have the time to hang out with friends and enjoy life. To me, this freedom is worth it.

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  80. Like many of the comments on this page, I agree that some form of government or hierarchy is necessary if freedom is to exist. In a system without any government programs, regulations, or laws, there would be no guarantee of individual security. Without a government, federally funded programs and departments like the police department could not exist. People would have no guarantee of individual security and would be living in a constant state of fear. Although it seems like without government interference we would not have to worry about unnessary regulations and wasteful federal spending, in reality we would more than likely be too concerned with survival to enjoy any of these "freedoms." A good example can be seen in the Western Roman Empire shortly after its collapse. Scared they would be killed by the invading tribes, citizens turned to people they felt could protect them. Instead of celebrating their new independence, they quickly signed over their freedoms in return for protection. Thus feudalism began there. People turn to hierarchy in times of anarchy for a reason. Although anarchy may seem like a perfect solution to the increasing powers of the government, actually living under it is impracticle if you want guaranteed indivual protection.


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  81. Somalia and post apocalyptic Australia really show the need for security.They offer a true freedom but that comes with consequences. However, I personally believe that if people were less power hungry and nosy a culture could arise that could grow under Somalia's circumstances. That beings said it will never happen, greed and revenge would ruin the system. That's why there is a need for security and no anarchy could ever exist and be truly successful due to the nature of people. A democracy or even a dictatorship offer central security for offenses which deters actions, like what happens in Somalia, or punishes offenders. Nothing like Somalia or post apocalyptic Australia could be a success because they have no time to focus on the finer points of life like how to organize themselves. If war came they would scramble and if they did unify they would fight amongst themselves before they faced the opposition. It is a lose lose situation for an anarchy due to nature of people. For example two male lions fight until one retreats they can't coexist unless one bows down and follows suit. In anarchy there is no central power to unify with and control order therefor there is nothing anyone can gain from Somalia except a premature death or an easier suicide.
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  82. I think Anarchy is an interesting theory in the same way that utopia is an interesting theory. It would be nice to have no one telling you what to do, be there is also no one (for the most part) to help you when you need help. When I picture anarchy I don’t picture chaos, at least not at first. I picture a Thom Hanks in Castaway. If you describe it right is sounds nice, his own private beach with all the fish and coconuts he can get his hands on and it’s all free, but there is also no dentists when he needs one. I guess what I’m getting at is that anarchy has the most positive attribute when there are the fewest competing interests. In Mad Max there where two groups of people who wanted the same thing, oil. If Lord Humungous didn’t have an army there would be more oil to go around and less conflict. But like I said, it all sounds good in theory. If there are less people the group, each person is just going to want more oil.
    I don’t think anarchy is actually “working” in Africa. I believe the development is deceiving. You can live in a house build on sand up it’s not going to last forever.

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  83. Like many of the people before me, I don't believe that a society in todays times would be able to survive with anarchy. When there is a lack of government, someone will always believe that they know best and try to take control and create hierarchy. It's not so much that government takes away freedom, but more that without government, we could not enjoy many of the freedoms we have today. Also, when we discussed Mad Max in class, we talked about how anarchy is NOT chaos. I think that anarchy in today's society would DEFINITELY be nothing but chaos.

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  84. Kindra Bittle

    I believe that the government we have definitely is better than not having government at all. It is very dangerous for people like MAD MAX and the people of Somalia to be able to survive without the fear of losing their lives because they don't have the protection we do in America. In order to maintain the protection we have, there needs to be some restriction of freedom to keep everyone safe. It is nice to know that government is able to help give people more peace of mind. Not saying that it is perfect by any means. Some people still break into houses and do terrible things but we have the government to help try and make things right. Over in Somalia, they don't have that kind of reassurance. I believe some kind of government definitely surpasses no government.

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  85. I believe that in a state of anarchy, only the strong survive. When I say strong, I mean not just phisically but mentally as well. When people stick together and form groups, they have a much better chance of surviving. No matter how strong an individual is, they will not be able to protect and provide for themselves in a state of anarchy.

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  87. As much as I complain about our government and the laws they lay down, I feel they are important and have everyone's best interest at heart for the most part. An anarchy society has little,or no, freedom because you are always fearful for your life. It is every one for themselves. Without law enforcement, our streets would be filled with crime and violence. People would not want to leave their homes in a society running off anarchy.

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  88. Less government would provide more freedom, however our nation would be in total chaos if we have too much freedom. We need laws and rules to regulate each of us in today's society.I would rather have the form of government that we have now. Most of our police officers shows positive liberty more than negative liberty. The Somalian officers as shown above, demonstrate more of a negative liberty than a positive liberty. In Mad Max, it seemed as though he had freedom, but in reality he didn't. He thought he had control, but there were people who had more power than he did. He was all alone. If we had anarchy in today's society, it is hard to tell how everything would turn out. It probably wouldn't be a very good outcome.

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  90. I am agreeing with the numerous comments about anarchy and how it would not work. We, the people, are much better off with the police governing us day to day. In Mad Max, people had to fight to live every day and protecting oneself can get tiring. Although each person had an amount of some power, there would always be a person who had a little bit more. In todays society, anarchy would never work because people are so used to the idea of government. Without the form of a government, there would be chaos and with chaos the anarchy would eventually die out.

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  91. As many others have stated I just do not believe that our country could function, or function in a pleasant way, without government. Personally I feel that government is instilled into our brains as soon as we are born. Our parents act as a heirachy in that we are told what is right from wrong, and we are told to obey them. As we can see in many societies in the past and some today, where anarchy is present, there are many problems that exist. Things never seem to run very smoothly, and regardless of if there is a "set form of government" the people end up creating their own forms of "government" in order to be able to survive. When reading the posts I agree with Jessica Meyers 100% when she says that although in class we discussed how anarchy is not chaos, I believe it would be. When I think about the amount of crime that is commited today, with the governement that we have, I can only imagine what things would be like without law enforcement or anyone to enforce laws.

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  92. I feel that there is at least one thing that an anarchical society like Somalia would provide that most governments would not. I believe it is the idea of representation. This may seem odd to some, but in the US, we are “represented” in the fact that we vote for someone to vote for us; therefore representing us. But this person could not have the same background as us and not know what we really need. In an anarchical society the strong prevail, I feel as though a warlord did not come from a rich upper class family, and so he may understand the dilemmas of people he is controlling. He therefore may have a better view on relating at least with the people under his control. Colin Springer PSCI 100.03

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  93. As many of the following posts have stated, I would have to agree with the fact that i like the structured government that we have now. I'm not a big guy, and i have never been in a fight before, i believe that everything can be worked out through logic, and debate. The idea, of fending for myself is less then grand. I dont know if anyone has seen the movie "Black Hawk Down", but that movie shows the brutality of that kind of society. The idea that even our young must learn to fight and fend for themselves as we do as adults, is terrifying. The fact that we as Americans, can more or less do what we want (within the guidelines) is more then sufficient for me as an individual.

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  95. I do agree with what most people have said like
    Susan. I would not like to have to worry every second for my life. I feel that if there was no authority from police that people would just do whatever they wanted and large problems may arise. Some people feel that freedom entitles them to murder or perform other acts. If we didn't have a source of punishment, everyone would run wild. What good is freedom is you don't feel free?
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  96. I believe this is all a poor depiction of anarchy. Anarchy is a Utopian idea that people can exist equally without an overarching hierarchy. Because people are naturally selfish, greedy, and controlling, I do not think it could ever be achieved. If you break the situations down, like Somalia, there might not be an overarching government, but there are hierarchical arrangements in each tribe. Each tribe can be thought of as their own government. We could function in a anarchical society if people were not so inherently evil and selfish. Anarchy provides people a chance to depend on one another, a chance for self preservation and a chance to live life without being dictated on how to live. It is a most ideal way to like , but unfortunately an Utopian idea as well.

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  97. I feel like there has to be some type of hierarchy in order. Anarchy would be an impossible way of living especially in the world today. Humans are way to self centered for this to work. It would be a nice thought to be able to dictate for yourself and not have any overlooking authority. This seems ideal to many people, but i would much rather have police governing. There would be an insane amount of misconduct if there were no authorities. People would have to be aware and conscious of their surroundings at all times. Thats just not something citizens should want to deal with everyday.

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  98. To walk around in other countries I feel it takes a lot more caution and preperation in order to make it out alive or with all you belongings. In the United States we have the proper sucurity, as well as other countries. People of a nation should not have to deal with the terror that comes along with the improper security levels.

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  99. When weighing the pros and cons of an anarchical society such as Somalia, the bad greatly outweighs the good. I would much rather live in a society such as we have in America than in Somalia. Here in the United States, even though there is occasional corruption and law enforcement agencies take liberties with their jobs, you are still better off than in Somalia. There, you can be tortured, raped or killed for the simple reason of “just because”. There is no justice and no definite “freedom” per say. Most of the time if a law enforcement officer steps over their boundaries in the United States, they are held accountable for their actions in court. In places such as Somalia and the movie “Mad Max”, it’s a dog eat dog world. You do what you must to survive, rather its killing your neighbor to take their supplies, or simply going about as a thief in the night and taking what you need. Without some form of a governmental society, if you put anyone in the dark, let them go hungry, and scare the hell out of them, nearly all sense of morals are forgotten and you simply do what you must to live another day.

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  100. Anarchy government has its ups and downs. Of course there would be more freedom with an anarchical government but more dangerous things could happen. I agree with most of the people who believe that less government and less security means more freedom and rights for us. The less the governments are involved in security the more we are forced to focus on security to make sure our rights are not taken by someone else. Government has to take some of our rights away in order to safely protect our other rights. For instance, speed limit's are placed on highways and back road's so people are not engaging in road rage.

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  101. To answer the questions listed above, I don't believe that anarchy is an example of freedom or an idea of freedom. Anarchy is different groups of people all fighting to either maintain power or to gain power. I don't believe that if people would live under an anarchy that it would be freedom. People would be in fear or in survival mode and never know where they are going to sleep or where or what they are going to eat. Would that be an idea of freedom? I don't think that people would want to have complete freedom and struggle to survive. I would rather sacrifice some freedoms to police officers that occasionally take advantage of their power than to worry about surviving and worrying about what or where I would get my next meal.


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  102. Anarchy is something that I would not welcome into my life, at all. I would take the land of the free and the home of the brave with a bit of censorship and security than a "government" in which there is no specified order and people do whatever they want. The struggle of power that exists in an anarchy still exists to some extend in an organized government, the struggle just is not nearly as extreme. If you really put some thought into it, anarchy may seem more free and uncensored, but at the same time everyone has those same freedoms which may hinder your way of life. In an anarchy, people have the "freedom" to punch you in the face without penalty, while you may be "freely" planting a garden. You can still plant a garden in a controlled democracy, but you are protected from the random act of violence under the law which is lacking in an anarchy form of government. I believe it is pretty clear that anarchy is not all it's cracked up to be, and to say that you would want to live that way seems insane to me, there needs to be some structure and order within a society for it to thrive and prosper. Therefore anarchy is definitely not the form of government for me, and I'm not sure why some people would like to live that way at all.

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