Saturday, August 27, 2011

Anarchy in Somalia











What if there was no government? What is the absence of government called?

Let's talk about anarchy in this post.

Anarchy, which as we mentioned in class is the absence of hierarchy, is an ideal concept. We can never find pure anarchy in observable life.



Conditions in contemporary Somalia, however, offer an approximation to anarchy. Government in any formal sense has little practical hold on life there.

Somalia has not been under the control of a single national government since 26 January 1991, when military strongman Siad Barre was toppled.... During the 1990s, the conflict in Somalia was between rival warlords and clan-based militia. This led to widespread hunger and the UN and US intervened before a humiliating pull-out.

Fighting continued but with less intensity until in 2006, the Union of Islamic Courts became the first group to exert control over the whole of the capital, Mogadishu, for 15 years.

Ethiopia then invaded to oust the Islamists, with US support. But the Ethiopians were unable to exert control and now the capital is the scene of regular battles between the UN-backed government and the al-Qaeda linked militants, al-Shabab.


What is life like in Somalia?

Somalia has been consistently ranked as the worst failed state on the Failed States Index published annually by Foreign Policy magazine.

Approximately 20% of the population, or about 2 million people have become political refugees.

Piracy has become a source of employment for a sizable portion of the male population.

Businessmen opened their own hospitals, schools, telephone companies and even privatized mail services. Men who were able to muster private armies, often former military officers, seized the biggest prizes: abandoned government property, like ports and airfields, which could generate as much as $40,000 a day. They became the warlords. Many trafficked in guns and drugs and taxed their fellow Somalis.

Beneath the warlords were clan-based networks of thousands of people — adolescent enforcers, stevedores, clerks, truck drivers and their families — all tied into the chaos economy. Ditto for the freelance landlords and duty-free importers.


Yet, Benjamin Powell says:

It is hard to call any country mired in poverty an economic success. Yet by most measures Somalia’s poverty is diminishing and Somalia has improved living standards faster than the average sub-Saharan African country since the early 1990s. In that sense Somalia is at least a relative success story. The most interesting part of Somalia’s success is that it has all been achieved while the country has lacked any effective central government.


Plus, since anarchy took hold of life in Somalia, the life expectancy rate has increased (people are living longer), the GDP per capita has increased (people are wealthier), the infant mortality rate has declined (infants are more likely to survive), adult literacy has improved (more adults can read), and telecommunications have spread (cell phones are widespread).



What do you think? Does a place like the anarchical Somalia have something to offer that a governed society lacks? Does less government and less publicly provided security mean more freedom? Would you rather be secured by police officers that sometimes take liberties with their jobs, or would you rather be secured by Somalian technicals like those shown in the pictures above?

59 comments:

  1. I think Somalia does have some resources and freedoms that a country with a central government lacks. We can see that the people are living better lives now without a government than they did with one. I don't think that it means more freedom. People still have things they cannot do without consequnces. Having said all this, I would rather live in a country with government because I feel like that would be more stable. More rules and regulations would make everyone stay in line and keep order.
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  2. I believe that Somalia has been some what successful with becoming a better country without a government. but, I feel like Somalia would been an even greater place if the right central government. Eventually something is going to happen and rules are going to need to be enforced and there is not someone (or a group of people) in control to enforce the rules/laws. Therefore I much prefer to live in a country with a stable government that has laws and rules that are going to protect my own safety and will be there if something is going wrong to protect me and everyone else in the country.

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  3. I agree with what Megan has posted, if we lived in a society today like Somalia we would be much worse off. Although I can also agree that the way our government is being run today and the way our economy is desinigrating daily, having no government sometimes means living a better life. Government is strongly needed though in times like today I would have to agree that I would much rather like to live in a government that had laws and rules that are going to keep me safe even if the economy and times are tough for our country.
    ~Jenna Hoffman
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  4. Megan Frazer: What class section are you in? Please post that info.

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  5. I also agree with Megan, Somalia has been successful since taken over by anarchy. But I do not feel that Somalia could offer anything to a governed society. If Somalia had a government, I feel that it would decrease poverty even more and maybe would no longer be ranked as the worst failed state. Having government and certain people in charge would help set Somalia straight and help them prosper more than they already have.
    Taylor Frankenberry
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  6. It looks as though Somalia has gotten along just fine over the years without a government looking at the percentages of the jobs people there have. They do have a lack of food and if they had a government they wouldn't have a problem with hunger. I personally think that a government is much better to have. We have laws and different ways we live by compared to those in Samalia where they do what they think is best. By having a government we have police and other officials that take part in keeping us safe compared to the techniques they have.
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  7. Although Somalia has been doing just fine without a goverment I feel like for the country to continue running the way it is and for it to improve it needs a goverment in the near future. Although businessman are are opening different business's If there was a goverment more people would be able to have jobs and there would be more money going in the their country. Starvation would not be a problem with a goverment because they could do things to help like food stamps and taxes could help feed the poor. Even though Somalians have more freedom because of a lack of goverment there is no privacy and protection for the people which can result in problems if something goes wrong in the country. With no rules people in Somalia can just go around killing people stealing or doing other illegal things that people in the United states would be punished for.

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  10. I believe that everybody in Somalia does have more freedom, but that is not always a good thing. We were all raised believing that we lived in a truly free country, but in reality we do not. We are not allowed to do whatever we want, whenever we want. We have some of our freedoms revoked to keep order and stability in this country. Many people will say that this is a bad thing, but if we had an unlimited amount of freedom we would live in a ravaged war zone that was controlled by bands of warlords. Laws would not exist, the free markets would be a thing of the past, and people would live everyday in fear. Many may argue with me, but I feel that limiting certain "freedoms" leads to a safer and more comfortable environment where individuals can work and live in relative safety... Courtesy of their established government.
    Greg Matthews
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  12. I think that Somalia does better without a government. However, there will come a time when something will happen and there won't be any rules to fix it. This in my opinion will result into pure chaos.
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  13. For the moment Somalia is doing fine with no government. But this situation can not continue in my opinion. I only takes one person to disrupt the general peace.There is a sense of a honor system I feel like and that can easily be disturbed. If one person decided to try and obtain power, the entire country could fall into chaos.

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  14. While Somalia is doing fine without a government, the quality of life in that country is not that which many Americans would be willing to live. I believe we give up our true 'freedom' and abide by government to live the comfortable lifestyle that most of us were born into. We may want to believe that an anarchical situation like that of Somalia is Utopian, I doubt many of us would survive very long there. There is a level of give and take that comes from living in a country with a stable government. We may learn that we aren't truly free, but I do not believe that hardly any of us would be able to deal with the consequences and choices that would come from living in an anarchy.

    Danielle Smith
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  15. Even though Somalia has made improvement with having no central government in place...having a central government would help with organization and law enforcement. I would rather live in a country where a central government is in place, because not only would there be laws but new laws would be continuously made and enforced giving way to better organization and safety.
    Megan Manuel
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  16. Concerning the question on whether I'd rather be policed by those who sometimes take liberties with their jobs, or by independent militia groups, I'd choose the police. Yes, some people in control do take advantage of their power, but I would rather take that chance then be in constant fear of who just might be in control at the time. Somalia is prospering to some extent, but it is still on the list of "Failed States". So it seems anarchy is not the most productive concept.
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  17. I feel that while Somalia is semi successful without a government, having a government will make you stronger as a country. With their freedoms and struggles, I'm sure that if they had to pull together for a war or something like that, it just couldn't happen. Though I may not always agree with how our government runs at times, it makes me feel safe and secure, which is the entire point of having a government.
    Kourtney Weld
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  18. Though anarchy may work in Somalia, I do not think it would work in other countries around the world. I agree with Kourtney, when she states that having a government will make you stronger as a country. Yes, Somalia is successful in some aspects, but it continues to fail in others. Yes, Somalia may have maximum freedom, but given the everyday struggles that people of Somalia undergo, is it really worth it? Some people may think that having a government is worthless and that anarchy is the way to go; however, I disagree. A government, in my opinion, is crucial for a successful nation.

    Kaila Burch
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  19. In my opinion, a government is necessary for any country. By looking at the pictures in this post, you can thoroughly observe how less fortunate Somalia is. Though they are "free", in certain ways and even successful, in some ways, they are lacking a lot of things that make up a successful country. However, to answer Kaila's question of: "is it really worth it?", maybe we do not think it is worth it because we view our country as much better, but to them it is totally worth it. I think that is where we, as a country, are sometimes selfish.

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  20. Like others have said I feel that although Somalia is doing ok for now they will soon need a government. I personally believe that it's only a matter of time before all hell breaks loose and they are living similar to the characters in "The Road". Although many people complain about our government and some of the laws that are enforced, I'm almost certain that if our government were to disappear and no laws were enforced and people could do what ever they wanted that we'd be wishing we had never complained about our government in the first place.
    Ashley Wright
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  21. In my opinion, a government is needed to keep everyone 'in line'. Without a government us as country would be a total mess and just unsafe. I think that anarchy works for them because that is what they are used to. Once you get into a routine of life, it is hard to change. I personally like to feel secure and protected, and with an anarchy its just you against the world.
    Kyra Fox
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  22. I think that in some ways a governed society could learn from a country like Somalia. Even though it may seem to be an unsafe place without police and firemen the people are doing what they have to to live productively. People have joined together and they have hospitals,schools, and cell phones. They are doing what they want to do and not letting a higher power invade any of their rights(for example corrupt police,taking advantage of their power,or harassing people). I like and respect the fact that they deal with all their problems themselves, even if it means carrying around guns and resorting to some barbaric actions, Somalia is prospering rather well under the circumstances.
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  23. It may seem as if Somalia is better off in some regards without governement, but for how long can they expect to go on like this? The majority of people are concerned with indivual safety and well being and without any form of hiearchy there is no one to stop any group of people from taking away your personal rights and property. Government would not only take care of the piracy problem but would also instill security and calmness in Somalia's daily life.
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  24. First off, I think all our opinions are skewed as a result of growing up in the United States. We use our own country as the "norm" from which we base our own judgments.

    Now, perhaps Somalia is thriving without centralized government but that may be due to the fact that the lack of government is far better that the system in place before 1991. People are strong and adapt to what life throws at them. I think its fascinating that Somalia is doing so well economically! Is this a common occurrence in nations with little or no centralized government?

    Colleen Boyle
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  25. I think it is interesting how Somalia's people have increased their standards of living with basically no centralized government. But by no means do I think it could work anywhere else, especially the United states. I don't think that the American's would collapse and crash completely, but be more similar to how Somalia is now. I believe there is a limit to the success anarchy can have and eventually, to progress, a form of government must be established.

    Ted McDonald
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  27. I believe that Somalia has done well without having a government, BUT they did have others step in and try to help or try to give them shelter and food. So, while yes they are basically an anarchy, a hierarchy had to step in to help them out some. Needless to say I prefer to have a government like others have said, although the rules can be annoying at times, they are really there to help protect us and the rights that we do have. Another thing, just because this worked in Somalia does not mean that it would work with the entire world.

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  28. I am surprised at how Somalia has actually increased living standards and people are living longer!! It baffles me. But I can also understand that people get tired of the same thing everyday and may team up to try and fix certain aspects of their life. The United States should not intervene due to the fact that it didn't work before and its not our country. They have to eventually work together and cut down on all the violence and killing. One of the questions that was asked was if a person would like to be secured by cops or have no security at all. I would hate to live my life always looking over my shoulder wondering if today is my last day or if i'm gonna have any food or water. Government may be frustrating at times but it is necessary and valuable to the success of a nation and its people.


    Troy McNeill
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  29. I have to wonder what life is like for the average joe. Without a centralized government there is no protection for the workers or consumers. None of the laws we have to protect our citizens would exsist there. The businessmen and the warlords can take advantage of the citizens and no could stop them. It seems like a case where the rich get richer, so the country GDP is higher, but the poor get poorer. Also they live with so much fear. I mean look at the pictures Profesor Stump posted. There are people walking around with rocket launchers, assault rifles, and machine guns mounted on trucks.
    Dwight Shilling
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  30. I can't imagine living in a country with no centralized government. I would much rather know that the government is there protecting me. That's one of the main purposes of government anyways. People want protection, they want to know they are safe. People in Somalia must always be living in fear. For purposes of protection I think the government is great. But in other areas I think there should be less government rule
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  31. Somalia does in fact have a lot of freedoms that those individuals ruled under a centralized government do not experience. However, the people of Somalia also deal with a lack of security and food unknown to those with a government. The country of Somalia is vulnerable due to its lack of government. I feel more secure under government rule than I could imagine myself in any anarchical society, but I do feel that our government could stand to loosen its grip slightly.
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  32. I think that Somalia has done well considering it doesn't have a centralized government. However, I would not want to live there because I feel there would be no sense of security. Somalia might have a sense of more freedom but they lack so many things that we take for granted in our country. How do they operate everyday without the protection for jobs, homes, etc? Without the security that we have in the US there is nothing to stop the warlords, druglords, etc from taking over innocent people from living their lives day to day. It might improve Somalia to have some sense of a government.
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  33. I personally think that its better to have a government and have someone that i know is going to protect me even if it sometimes take liberties with their jobs. I agree with Christie Seidel, i cant imagine a not having a government. To me i feel not having a government would make everyone have to fend for themselves and would be a mess and as Christie Seidel "People in Somalia must always be living in fear." I don't want to live in fear. It may work with some people but not me. I want to know that i can walk out of where ever i live and not have to see people walking around with guns strapped across them. I wouldn't feel free. Our government has limitations but i wouldn't trade it for the world.
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  34. Althogh Somalia has had success with no government I do not think that it will continue. With no government to control the country something will happen that will rock the boat. If they established a government then i think there success would continue. Also, I feel much safer knowing that there is a government and police to protect the people. PSCI 100-04

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  35. I think life in Somalia is very interesting, and something that we can all learn from. The people there are totally free, and in order to survive and be successful in a world like that, you have to have a lot of ambition. Also, since they don't have police, they have to be able to protect themselves. I think that Americans could benefit from having more personal protection, and not relying on the police as often. If we were ever put in a situation like the one the father and son are in in The Road, would we be able to survive? Many of us, probably not because we aren't used to being in danger and having to deal with it ourselves. At the same time, however, I enjoy the order that comes with the government/police.

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  36. That the life expectancy in Somalia has risen, since the loss of a centralized Government, is surprising. I think an Anarchial Society has something to offer our Government. It can offer the option to exert less control over the average citizen. Somalia is not a place I would choose to live, I would rather live under a system, sometimes corrupt, then no system at all. Zach Moore PSCI-100:3

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  37. In my opinion, citizens of Somalia have many more freedoms than citizens of other countries; even us Americans that live in the "land of the free." Although this is true, it may not be the kind of freedom most of us dream of. Somalia has proven to advance without a central government, but would this be the case with any country that has had a falling out and became an anarchy? Many try to argue that a government takes advantage of its citizens, but isn't it that same government that takes care of its citizens? That government ensures safety and provides healthcare, jobs, and education. Without a government who does this? In Somalia's case, individuals. Each individual, or small clans, provide their own safety. This results in a lot of violence. Individuals also have to take it into their own hands to get an education, make jobs, and somehow take care of the sick. Although Somalia is ranked at the very bottom, they have managed to succeed a fair amount given their circumstances.
    Jessica VanFleet
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  38. A country with no government means no control in taxes, no police, no laws, basically no foundation of a country. The people living in Somalia are living their lives with so much risk. They cannot trust anyone because they dont know whether they are going die or live. They live in a world where they have to do things for themselves. Pictures mean a thousand words and they do when i look at them.

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  39. For a place with no central government, Somalia seems to be doing fairly well. I feel that since they have no government it was as if they are forced to join together and make their own way. America is known as the "land of the free" although that is not always the correct term . Somalia is honestly free with noone to answer to but themselves. This comes with risks. If their is a crime commited, how does it get handled? If one stops to think about the lack of true safety, it's almost scary. They have done a great job making their own means and their own mini-government, but that doesn't secure safety or justice. I feel the way the world is working today with terrorism and such, Somalia will get a government eventually. It's a process, a long one that that. I like the way our country is. No one is every 100percent safe and justice isn't always provided. I do have the sense of security in out country though, and that means a lot to me.
    Amber Kollar
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  40. I have no explanation for why life expectancy, GDP, and all those other statistics have shown increases, and I would be curious to hear possible reasons for it. Also, while Somalia might be considered to have more 'freedom', it's definitely not the same freedom we have in the US. I'll give up some of my freedom any day to be protected by the government.
    Michael Citro
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  41. I think that Somalia has really taken thier situation and "made the best of it"-- they knew that there was no governement and fought for some time and then relaized that it was getting them nowhere. They have taken what they know and applied it to thier lives; creating businesses and groups or tribes that they function in. Would I like to live there? No, I don't think I would. This is because I an accustomed to the life I have been raised in. To the people of Somalia this is a normal life to them and they have obviously chosen and anarchy over a form of government. They have been without a government for about 20 years now and have adjusted to make things work for themselves. I am not sure that this can continue and they can contiune to be successful. In some ways they have instilled a "government" type of living. There are people who are in leaderhsip postions and they have some type of rules to follow. I think it would benefit Somalia in the near future to come to some type of collective effort to help clean up the structure of the country.

    ~Sara Balog
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  42. I feel that if the people feel more comfortable living in an anarchy then they should not let forien influence try and force them to have a government. I feel that it is kind of scary that business owners are selling guns and drugs to people in the society. But if people feel the need to own guns for protection and have gone to piracy they obviously do not want to have a government. I would probably rather live where there is a government but my opinion is more biased because I have never lived in a place with anarchy such as Samalia.

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  43. I think that even though somalia is a nation that is suffering and had no form of government, they are making the best of what they know how to do in order to keep surviving. They could just give up and let their world come to ruin but instead they are fighting to at least keep some sort of civilization running. They are getting used to living the way they have been for some time and it doesnt bother them anymore. Moving from a strongly structured governmental system to a system with no goverment at all would be hard at first. If you are used to a system with no government and you know what you have to do in order to survive it would not be as hard. I think as long as they keep striving to keep civiliaztion they will continue to manage and may even succeed in creating a reasonable society.

    Sara Reese
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  44. The situation in Somalia is a bit confusing to me. I understand that there is no form of government but somehow the country is in “better” shape. It seems that the infant mortality rate has declined, meaning more children are surviving longer. Last I check more than 29,000 children have died from famine in the last ninety days and over 600 thousand are currently malnourished and are at risk of death. It seems that the al-Shabab is refusing aid from other countries, meanwhile children are dying because much needed supplies are getting to those most in need. I would like to think that is Somalia had a government that they would attempt to gain control back over the regions that these militias are controlling. There other confusing issue it that people are becoming richer. Is it safe to assume that they are getting richer because they are stealing and murdering people for their “goods?” And they are setting up make-shift road blocks where you pay to proceed with goods, or you are raped instead. I know that a lot of Americans would become wealthier if we could just take what we wanted from whoever we wanted to take it from. So is that really seen as growth? I am not educated on Somalia and the businesses that people have established in the last 20 years, so I am not sure if I am “off” base or not. If they had a government, people would not have to give up every possession they own to travel a road. Nor would they have to die along the way because some militant with a gun decides to shoot them. The only thing that I do know is this, as much as I hate the way our politicians act like children amongst each other, I would not want to live anywhere else. I think those Americans that support anarchy should be dropped in the middle of Somalia to see how much they would really enjoy it. The majority of American people have no idea how really good they have it.

    Patricia Claude
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  45. i am impressed at how well Somolia's people are able to hoold onto hope and complete their form of structure. Especially after their numerous leaders and systems. Their medical facilities are keeping slightly structured and people are offering their own trades. In a lack of heirarchy this is very important.

    Kirsten Dorosh
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  46. The statements that Somalia is becoming better without a government isn't enough evidence as the statistics shows irregular fluctuations every year to their basic needs(food). also the comparison between the gap of 20 years of Somalia having no government isn't a good comparison since it didn't include their status while they are in their government. and as for the span of 20 years, the developments in their anarchic society is considered minuscule compared other countries that regained their country and had set-up a government just like what happened in Vietnam and Taiwan which recovered very quickly.

    The current situation in Somalia shows no significant advantage over a governed society, however, having no government in place of their security makes the people more aware of the situation and likely involves people to take responsibility for the people around them and make hierarchical relationships to prosper. In contrast to a governed society in which people are less aware of the intricacies of their society.

    For people in Somalia to maintain their security, people resort to having guns. In their anarchic society, people quest for power as it seems to them that is it whats keeping them safe. Although they might be free to do whatever they want in an ungoverned society, their actions are still bounded by consequences.

    the notion of freedom in a governed society differs to what an anarchic society. As we perceive freedom as the ability to do everything our mind could tell us to do. but in reality we are bounded by limits. and in an anarchic society, people's actions are still limited by the nature of people around them. so unless there are no other people to limit you, then you could say you are in absolute freedom.

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  47. *Edit:
    The notion of freedom in a governed society differs *from an* anarchic society.

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  48. I think that without government, the separation between the upper and lower class could grow. For example, the prompt discussed how the high ranked former military people claimed airports, large government buildings, etc. The people of Somalia may also "be more free" without government, but are they too free? Do they wish they had government to protect them and to provide the four types of security? Although infant mortality decreased, adult literacy increased, etc., those can all also occur within a country that has government.

    Amanda Lundstrom
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  49. I would not want to have this in our country, because of security, but it seems to have been working in Solmalia. Mandy makes a good point though, this could all happen in a centralized government too. I like to have the security in the fact that there are certain rules to say what people can and cannot do, but how far do the rules go is the question.

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  50. I belive that every country should have a government. And yes they have freedom but do you really believe their freedom is free?? They don't really have much of anything, they dont even have any security. Security gives a sense of right and wrong, without that in the society it becomes unorganized goverment. I think I would rather have a police officer pull me over in a car for speeding or whatever, than to have pretty much nothing.

    Ryan Potts
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    I have an account but I havent figured out how to post it with my account yet, so im just using anonymous this week.

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  51. At this point in time, the Somalian people are already probably used to the life of anarchy. However, I would still prefer living in a governed society. Although less publicly provided security means more freedom, it also means further room for people to act rebellious. With no laws to keep people in check, the safety of the people is not ensured. I would much rather be secured by police officers than by the Somalian technical’s.
    Tracy Ocampo
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  52. Ryan Potts posted as "Anonymous" and then signed his name and class. That is perfectly acceptable.

    FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE HAVING TROUBLE POSTING ON THE BLOG, try Ryan's method.

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  53. I think that as long as Somalia remains successful having no government, then there is no need for change. Think of it like the old saying, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." As long as Somalian people work together, then everything is okay.

    Danny Kremen
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  54. I would think that this anarchy would offer more capitalistic opportunities, but may do so at the expense of other people. Where all regimes offer some sort of social control of preventing abuse by others, anarchy does not.

    An interesting point to clarify what the crime rate is there (or what other societies would consider crime-murder, rape, robbery, assault, etc.).

    John Winterstine
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  55. I think anarchy in any country or for any reason is not tolerable. Life without government turns people into savages. I have read many books about anarchy and the best example of this is from The Lord of the Flies. In this book, kids go from being completely normal to murderous savages in a short amount of time. You cannot run a country without a government and that is why Somalia is the way it is today.

    Morgan Lautz
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  56. I think that although anarchy seems to be working in Somalia, that doesnt mean that it would work for every country. If the United States ever became an anarchy, I do not think we would be nearly as strong of a country as we are now. The United States has had a government for so long, that it would be bogus to become an anarchy. Even though there are downfalls of having a government, our country seems to run much more steady with a type of heiarchy. Just like we spoke about in class; When 9/11 happened, our country as a whole was so proud to say that "We are American" (That we are "one"), so becoming anything other than what we are now would totally go against what most of us believe.

    Stephanie Shank
    Politics and Government
    12:25-1:40pm (Tues/Thurs)

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  57. I think that an absence of hierarchy is in no way a good thing. It shows you how something small can somewhat turn people into animals. The Town demonstrates this in a great way. The way the cannibals have come together and survived by eating their own kind is an example. In an anarchy there is no sense of security or peace. Therefore i think any society in a state of anarchy cannot be a success.

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  58. I truely belive that it depends on the government that is in place, whether a Anarchy type society would work better or not. For instance in Somolia they had a dictator that oppressed the people. So education and commerce were not an option. People were getting killed in the streets. But since he has been overthrown, the people were left to rule themselves. They now have freedoms they once were forced to live without. And there are gangs there. They are a form of government. But Anarchy would not work in the United States. The country would tear itself apart as evident after Katrinna.

    Watson, Chad
    PSCI 100:04

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