Tuesday, October 4, 2011

America's Managed Democracy?

Last week we considered whether America could become a totalitarian state. There seemed to be a solid mix of views: some people said "yes," America could become a totalitarian state; some people said "no," America could not become a totalitarian state.

Sheldon S. Wolin, a professor of politics at Princeton University argues that America is already a kind of totalitarian state. In his book, Democracy Inc: Managed Democracy and the Specter of Inverted Totalitarianism, Wolin claims that the totalitarian politics practiced in America is different than the totalitarian politics of 1930s and 1940s Italy, Germany, Japan, and Stalin era Soviet Union.



America is a managed democracy [read about it here and here]. What does this mean?

1. A political-religious mythology was created around September 11 that had primarily Christian themes -- an encounter with evil, a loss of innocence, and redemption and salvation of the American national state.

2. An immensely diverse American society was unified around the American Presidency and against a common enemy that makes us insecure -- this form of totalitarian politics is independent of any particular leader, which means that both George W. Bush and Barack Obama are both part of the process.

3. In order to save ourselves from evil, we imagine ourselves morally privileged. So, we take actions that are morally denied to others. For instance, the US government tried Japanese military personnel for war crimes because the Japanese soldiers water boarded prisoners as a torture technique during World War II. At the same time, the Bush administration authorized military personal to use water boarding, yet no one has been arrested or tried for war crimes and in fact the Obama administration has refused to pursue investigations of the Bush administration.

4. The inversion of democracy occurs when the chief executive (the US president) can carry out significant actions associated with totalitarian dictators  -- for instance, when the President can imprison an accused person without due process and sanction the use of torture and assassination and not be held accountable to the rule of law.

5. The resulting managed democracy is a political form in which governments are legitimated by elections, but active democratic politics are managed and diffused. That is, citizens are unable to form into political coalitions outside of normal politics -- citizens are politically docile and politically inactive, but at regular intervals around election season they vote in an election that confers legitimacy on the political process. Until the next election, citizens fade into the background of political decision making and focus primarily on their personal and private lives and desires.

What do you think?

Do you agree with any of the points above? Is America a managed democracy, which is a new kind of totalitarian government? Did September 11 become a mythological day for Americans? Are Americans morally privileged? To save ourselves, are all actions permissible? -- would we sacrifice our most cherished values (e.g. Bill of Rights and the freedoms it guarantees) for security?  Or is there a limit to what we as Americans will do in the name of security?

41 comments:

  1. I do not agree with any of the points made above. It isn't right that the president shouldn't be able to have a due process when they imprison someone. There needs to be a reason why they have imprisoned them. It also is not right for a citizen to not have any say in the government unless it's just for voting. We are Americans and we should have the right to have our input in what is going on in the government system. I don't know if many American citizens would give up their cherished values for security. I know that I would it is important that their is security in the world and that we do what we can to keep it protected.
    Tiffany Didawick
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  2. I agree with Tiffany. As Americans, we DO have rights and the right to have our own opinion and say is one of them; whether it is "edgy" or not. It is just an opinion. I feel many Americans would give up cherished values for security because many are clueless and think that it is okay and they are doing the right thing.
    Taylor Frankenberry
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  3. i believe we did make September 11 a mythological day for Americans and because of that day and the now constant fear of terrorism, many people are willing to give give up there right to privacy for the guarantee of safety. ex: airports now can basically and do search everything and anything and the body scans!? way to invasive. we are in such fear anymore that we could become a managed democracy.
    -Katlyn Kettering
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  4. I agree with Tiffany, as Americans we do have rights but how many americans are going to use those rights when something or someone becomes in the way or goes against their right, such as the incident of the muslum who was executed without reason or trial, he had no chance to stand up for himself, that is not AMERICAN FREEDOM. Many americans would give up their right to privacy for the guarantee of safety to protect themselves and their family, not neccesarily for other Americans.

    Jenna Hoffman
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  5. I def. think the above points illustrate the way the United States is run today.
    September 11 did become a mythological day for Americans. I think because of that a lot of people are living in fear that our world is coming to an end.
    Americans are def. morally priveleged, we think our way is the "right" way which allows us to feel we can do whatever we want.
    I think most Americans have already given up their rights for security if not they would.

    Some of these headlines here are really interesting...it's funny how they aren't normally the front page.

    Rose Walker
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  6. 9/11 forever changed the minds of American citizens, especially the generation that was young when it occurred. Most of us don't really remember a time prior to September 11 and for that reason, I see people my age so willing to give up their rights for what they believe is 'more safety'. North Koreans are safe as long as they follow the rules or don't starve, but do we want to live like them? Life is nothing without our basic rights. Presidents can assasinate citizens. Really? What's next? God only knows.

    Danielle Smith
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  7. I believe that we as Americans we do have rights.like the right to have our own opinion. I do believe that most Americans would give up those rights because they think its the right thing to do. I do believe that we did make September 11 a mythological day for Americans. Since that day we constantly live in fear of terrorism. That day has changed Americans forever. I know i would give up most of my rights to be protected. One thing is i know i would not want to live in a place like Korea. I would feel trapped.

    Katie Reeg
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    T TR 12:25

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  8. I also agree with Tiffany that yes we as Americans do have rights but as we keep talking about in class, how any Amercians will stand up for their rights? We believe what we are told and what we are shown by someone in power. When someone of power gets on TV and tells us that something is 'the right thing to do' a majority of America will do just as they say to do. Sadly enough, not many Americans will have enough balls to stand up and say how they feel about a sitiation if they do not agree. This isnt always how America was, this is just what we have made it to be like.
    I also agree that we have made 9-11 into a mythological day. Just as Katlyn said, we have made it so that we live in a constant fear of terrorists. Until someone of power tells us that there is nothing left to worry about, we are going to worry about it day in and day out. At this rate I do believe that we could become a managed democracy.
    Kyra Fox
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  9. I agree with Sheldon S. Wolin views. I think most Americans do view September 11th as mythological, they would rather write it off as a religious issue, than look at the big picture. I think many people do feel morally privileged to be an American(they live in the land of the free, where they do no wrong). I would hope that people would not allow something as important as their rights be taken from them for protection by the government. More people need to step up and be more politically active to prevent our rights from being taken from us.
    .Amanda.Etube.
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  10. I agree with Danielle, most of us don't really remember life in America pre-9/11. I think because of this and the steady stream of 'we need to protect our county' that we've been bombarded with, we're scared into willingly giving up our rights. That and we're too apathetic because we're caught up in our daily lives and rather not think about the actions we should be taking to try to save our rights and stopping America from becoming an even totalitarian.

    Alexandra Kezman
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  11. I believe that we Americans made 9/11 a mythological day. It is a day that we will "Never Forget", many lost family members, friends, and other loved ones on this day so of course we live in constant fear from it. Any human being is more than likely to give up their right to privacy for guarentee safety especially those with young children who can't fend for themselves.Even though it is a pain going through security to theme parks, airports, etc. I do feel much safer and although some may think it is an invasion of privacy and in some ways it is, but in other ways think of what it would be like without it? Would there be more terroist attacks? Would we live in fear from the time we wake up till the time we went to bed or even till the next day?

    Amber Collis
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  12. we have rights and the right to have our own opinion. It isn't right that the president shouldn't be able to have a due process when they imprison someone. it is important that their is security in the world and that we do what we can to keep it protected.

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  13. I've always thought that if America turned into a totalitarian government it would be like the one in "A Brave New World" where we're ruled by our possessions and no one cares about anything cause they're just stuck inside watching the latest Reality show. But in all honesty I don't care what happens. I really don't. If America goes to hell in a hand basket I'll be the crazy old dude living in the mountains by myself. Then eventually I'll die, and it won't matter anymore.

    Brendan Darby
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  14. we have rights and the right to have our own opinion. It isn't right that the president shouldn't be able to have a due process when they imprison someone. it is important that their is security in the world and that we do what we can to keep it protected.

    sorry forgot to post name in the comment before.
    Kayla Myers
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  15. I think 9/11 is a mythological day. I also agree with Danielle and Alexandra about remembering life as post 9/11 as opposed to pre 9/11, but I also believe that it is because, at least in my case, the majority of our lives has been post 9/11. Also, evidence shows that Americans are willing to give up their rights for security. I do think it's important to keep our country protected, but I also believe that we should not be so willing to give up our rights in order to do so.

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  16. I don't necessarily agree with all the points, but I do believe that Sept. 11 is a mythological day and because of the fear it has instilled in us, we're are easily manipulated to be controlled by the government. We'll allow them to do anything if it means "security" whether or not it's right. Although I do believe that, as Americans, we have the freedom to deny a managed government.

    Kourtney Weld
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  17. I don't really agree with any of those points. I think that as Americans, we should absolutely be able to have a say in things the government does. If these are things that impact us, then its only natural that we are going to have opinions on them. I also think many American's would be willing to give up cherished values for security because they would feel like they have no choice, if they felt like they had no say to begin with.

    Sara Paquet
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  18. I agree that september 11th was made into a mythology day, its not right that americans have to live in fear everyday because of what happened. I feel like us americans give up our rights to keep the government happy and we forget that we do have right sand we need to stand up for ourselves.

    Lexie KUn
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  19. As a US citizen, I feel we should have freedom, along with rights to our beliefs. Therefore, I do not agree with the above statements. Unfortunately, September 11th did make a huge impact in the US. It paved a road to new beliefs, thoughts and actions. However, it is a shame it took such a drastic situation to initiate certain thoughts, beliefs, and actions which should have already been in progress. We, as citizens, should be heard other than at time of election/voting. After all, the candidates running were/are part of the US citizen population. If not elected, would they want their beliefs and freedom taken away? Of course not! So, why would WE?

    Megan Manuel
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  20. I do agree with the points above, they are valid and can be observed in our government. Americans claim that they would not give up their rights for anything, but have been quick to change that since the events of 9/11. Fear changes the demeanor of people and will put them in a position where they want to do anything to secure safety again. That is what has happened to America since 9/11. I think that most people don’t even realize the right that they are giving up- they are doing it out of fear. Then when confronted with the fact that they are giving up their rights they justify it with “they want to keep the country safe”. I don’t think we as American should have to give up our rights to keep the country safe. There is a fine line here that I believe is being crossed when it comes to security.

    Sara Balog
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  21. I agree with the points above, in my opinion this nation is changing into a totalitarian government we have people complaining and nothing is happening. September 11 is a memorable day for Americans but think about this more people have died in the Iraq War then one day in attacks. Americans are privileged more than other countries. In order to protect ourselves and others around us if we feel in our opinion threatened we are going break so rights to protect others.
    Chris Smith

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  22. I think the people that give up their rights have no idea why they are doing it. The government tells them there are new rules/laws and they need to give up their rights in order to be safe, and people willingly comply. For example, going through security at airports has become more strict as well as flying regulations. While we are being "more protected" it also takes away a lot of the freedoms people often enjoyed about flying. It is situations like 9/11 that has put us in a situation for change in more of a totalitarian direction, unfortunately.

    Amanda Lundstrom
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  23. To an extent do I agree with the points above. I believe that september 11th did change the way Americans view the government and the powers that the government has. Americans were too eager it seemed to give up some of their rights when it came down to national security. No one wanted another terrorist attack so rights had to be given up in order to protect our constitution that gives us those rights, but now ten years later, is the government pushing too far? I think if the government continues to take away our very rights entitled to us in the constitution and if the fear of terrorists attacks is greater than the fear of having our rights as citizens taken away, then America indeed could become in a sense totalitarian.

    Kari Still
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  24. I agree that America does have several of these characteristics. I think we are a managed democracy. Many Americans would sacrifice most things in the name of security.

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  25. Any country has to be managed somehow, however I find the government's actions to be very alarming. Sacrificing individual security for the sake of national security wouldn't benefit the citizens as it only allows the government to have more control over it's people. it's funny how people are very concerned of their privacy yet they just let this slide.



    Leslie Uri Acuesta
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  26. I do believe we live in a managed democracy. Our Presidents HAVE acted outside the law without punishment, we HAVE given up some of our basic rights for security, and we would do anything as a country to save ourselves.

    Michael Citro
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  27. I don't think we are a new form of totalitarianism. We as Americans have rights and we are not strictly supervised like people are in North Korea. I do believe that some people would give up their rights for secuurity, but I think the majority would not do so.

    Steven Lesko
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  28. I believe that we defiantly are a managed democracy...but we are not a form of totalitarianism YET! I think that we could be manipulated into becoming one very easily though. Because we have given up right to "protect us" Which isn't really protecting us is it? I also do not think it is right that our presidents have went against and broke the laws. This isn't right and they should have come kind of consequence. We need to do something about it.

    Megan Frazer
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  29. I agree with some of the points above. Number 4 was talking about how the president can imprison someone without due process. I believe that the president needs conclusive evidence and that needs to be shown to the public before anything drastic happens. Point 5 is also true of America because most people go to elections and pick whoever they have seen in media that says all the right things to get in office. It is managed because we only have a couple options of who we want in office and usually those options dont represent us, plus the electoral college elects the president and not the citizens. Until this situation in our country gets entirely out of hand and every citizen's daily lives are disrupted meaning media is taken away, what we have to wear or what we can and cannot say about our government then nothing is going to change. America is changing.

    Troy McNeill
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  30. I believe that 9/11 is often thought of to be a day where Americans hold a lot of thought to. The accusations of the Muslim faith and racial profiling has brought a lot of controversy to the citizens of America and judgments of the American government. When in reality everyone is still fearful of everything as they know it coming to an end.

    Kirsten Dorosh
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  31. I agree with only some points made above. I do not think America is a new kind of totalitarian government. Like mostly everyone else in the blog, I agree that September 11 became a mythological day for many Americans. I feel that Americans would do anything to save our selves but I still do not feel that all actions should be permissible. Especially in the case of Obama and the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki.
    Tracy Ocampo
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  32. I think people basically give up some privacy for the security of the country. Like others mentioned the airport security checks are a little much but are just a way to keep us safe.

    Dru Sutherland
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  33. We, as Americans, tend to give up our rights even when we don't have too. The goal is to maintain the security of the country, but sometimes it is extreme. After 9/11, everyone was in fear of getting attacked again, and we gave up our freedoms and let the government take over. But sometimes we choose to give up our rights even in times of normality.
    Danny Kremen
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  34. I dont think America has gone as far as totaltarianism. I do agree with many of the points made like the growing power of the president with out being held accountable, and the water boarding issue. But I do not believe that Sept.11 to a mythology I believe people \still feel true sarrow and heart ache for what happen. Also we do have a right to voice our oppinion like the strike at wallstreet and i dont know of anyone who views Obama as a god.On the other hand I dont believe we necessarly live in a democracy either...
    Heather Burleson
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  35. I believe that the United States is a managed democracy, you see it in what was said above. I feel that September 11th made people scared, and when people are scared they will do anything to feel safe and secure. This includes giving up rights and freedoms which our fathers put down for us. I feel today security is the reason for most of the governments doing 'We assignate because he is seen as a terrioist'. This I believe is not right and the fact that he was an American citizen scares me. Can I be assignated, we according to the President I can, they just do not see a reason for me to be right now. I believe that this isn't right. The problem is Americans today WILL NOT do anything unless it involves themselves on a personal basis.

    Hope Fraser
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  36. I do believe that the United States is moving towards a totalitarian government. And I do believe that 9/11 had a lot to do with why our government has been changing the past few years. Like I stated with last weeks blog I really don’t think the people will let some of our cherished values be sacrificed for security, I just don’t simply believe that they will let that happen. I know people want their security but they will not give up our cherished values for security just won’t happen.

    Ryan Potts
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  37. I agree in some ways that we are going towards a totalitarian govt. I also believe that there are people who would give up all of their rights for security, personally I wouldn't but I may give some leeway as to how far they can push my rights but I don't want them taken from me. I don't agree with the president being allowed to randomly say this guy is a terrorist imprison him, assassinate him, or torture..I mean interrogate him and nobody question it. In my opinion if there is no evidence in a situation like this someone s trying to make a name for themselves or if there is evidence in situations like this that it should be shared with the public because like others said before me, we should have a larger role in what goes on in the country we live in, our home. If we can't have direct influence of some sort on any one thing, we should at least be able to know whats going on and why. The more they hide form us and tell us this is what happened this is why leave it at that, the more they are showing we are leaning towards a totalitarian govt. Because they wouldn't have to explain anything in that case.


    Brianne Fisher
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  38. I agree with many people here. I think the idea of September 11 and everything that happened that day has made the government too conscious of terrorism and the ideas of it. Why wasn't the government worried about these threats before September 11 happened? Did they thing that the US was god like and untouchable? If anything, we are probably collectively one of the more hated countries by everyone else in the world. We always want to be in everyone else's business and so when someone "breaks our bubble" and threatens the US, everyone freaks out.

    Ashley Bryant
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  39. I feel like we are leaning towards a totalitarian government. Like most people said, Americans are quick to give up rights just so they feel safe again. I feel like this leaves us vulnerable to a certain extent.
    Dylan Nick
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  40. I agree with Dylan. I believe that in the state that our country is in, Americans are uick to give up their rights. Especially since 9/11, security has been very important and because we are so concerned about being safe, we have listened to people of power and kind of been sucked into giving up our rights.

    Kaila Burch
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  41. I believe America is a manged democracy. I feel the voters don't care enough to get a full understanding of the issues and just vote for the candidate who wounds the best.

    Dwight Shilling
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