Monday, October 1, 2012

Is Totalitarianism Possible in America?




Over the next couple of weeks we are going to talk about totalitarianism. We'll talk about the origins of the word, the conditions out of which totalitarians forms of government emerge, its goals and features, the relationship between the government and the citizen, and a number of other interesting topics related to this type of political arrangement.

In a totalitarians system, like in North Korea or what is emerging in Iran, the state and its charismatic leadership become omnipresent features of peoples' everyday lives. Indeed, in the most extreme cases, the aspects of your life that you usually call "private" (e.g. life in the house, emotional and intimate relationships, business transactions, etc.) practically disappear. The state government becomes a feature of most every aspect of one's life. For instance, in Iran, there is a moral police who enforce a public dress and appearance code. It is illegal for men to wear necklaces and certain kinds of hair cuts are outlawed. Also, at Iranian universities, men and women may be separated.

During the 1930s and 1940s, many Americans started asking publicly: Can America become a totalitarian state? With the rise of Japan, Germany, Italy, and Spain under totalitarian governments, some Americans were concerned that in the case of a nuclear threat from a foreign enemy the US Constitution would be streamlined -- civil liberties would be curtailed and Americans' lives would be totally mobilized against the foreign threat.

Since 9/11, some people are asking once again: Can the US become a totalitarian state where American's civil liberties (e.g. freedom of speech, freedom to bare arms, right to a trial by jury, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble and protest, etc.) mean very little?

Naomi Wolf argued, for instance, that the Bush administration has started America down the path to a totalitarian system. She notes 10 steps the Bush administration has already taken, such as 1. invoking a terrifying domestic and foreign enemy, 2. creating a secret prison system (Gulag), 3. developing a thuggish groups of citizens, 4. setting up an intensive domestic surveillance system, 5. harassing citizens groups, 6. engaging in arbitrary detainment of citizens, 7. targeting citizens for assassination, 8. controlling the press, 9. equating dissenting voices with treason, 10. suspending the rule of law.

Similarly, Glen Grenwald has argued that the Obama administration has continued down this path. Particularly, the Obama administration has stripped certain US citizens of their civil liberties and assassinated them without their Constitutional rights to due process or freedom of speech.

The fear is that both Democrats and Republicans are ushering America toward an totalitarian state.

What do you think?

Do you think it would be possible for totalitarian politics to emerge in the US? Why or why not? Is it necessary in the fight against terrorism to limit Americans' civil liberties? Or, are civil liberties too important to give up in the fight against terrorism?

36 comments:

  1. Michael Ryan Rodgers
    PSCI 100.03

    I think a better question would be how America can stop itself from continuing down the path towards totalitarianism.
    The complete belief in one party candidate over the other is an example of our apparent start down that road. People flock to each candidate like they are the second coming and strike out at the other as if they are a new hitler trying to conquer America.
    We already allow surveillance to rule our lives, and 47% of the nation live off of the Governments dollar (paying no taxes, ect.). The next step is a short one. Just breaking off rights here and there as more of everyone's lives are paid for by the government.
    Its a slippery slope that we are heading down. I think we should er on the side of caution and stop it before the nation is to far gone.

    The fight against terrorism is a hard one. Its hard to identify terrorists without limiting freedoms; but I, for one, dont want to give up those freedoms in order to feel safe. Its much easier to give up rights then it is to get them back from the government. Once again, we need to be more careful as a people.

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    1. Melissa Taylor PSCI 100.03October 3, 2012 at 7:22 AM

      I agree with this comment. Especially when it comes to election time people start go crazy and think that the canidate they are choosing is the only one that can help the nation. But in fact not one single person can change the United States and thier are policies in place to make sure this does not happen. I dont believe we should have to give up are freedom to fight terriosm and that once freedom is given up it will be alot harder to get them back.

      Melissa Taylor PSCI 100.03

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  2. Yes I think it is possible for America to become a totalitarian state. I think it is possible because when people try to stand up and point out a wrong doing, something happens that causes them to quiet down; whether it is money passed hands or a death. I think there is a line that is close to being crossed. If Obama is able to have people assassinated because they spoke their mind, then the line has been crossed. Yes civil liberties are important and yes we want to defend ourselves from terrorists but in order to defend ourselves, we would have to give up civil liberties, and I don’t think we are ready to give them up. I know I am not ready too. I like being able to walk into a classroom and freely speak my mind about the government. If the government controlled that then many of us would be unhappy, but unable to change anything because we are scared to talk to others. I want to believe that Congress keeps the President in check, but after these assassinations, I am beginning to question how much they actually do. America is headed down a road to totalitarianism, and there are just two questions left to ask - is there a way to turn around, and if we can’t turn around, then how long until America is a totalitarian country?
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  3. Ashlee Barrett PSCI 100.02October 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

    I think that it is very possible for totalitarianism to over come the US. As we have spoken in class, we do have our civil liberties, but that is to an extent. If we want to say something, yes we have the freedom of speech, but we can't go on a plane and speak of a bomb. So what freedom is that? Also, the surveillance that most people are under daily and don't even know about it- if that is not the start of totalitarianism, I couldn't tell you what is. I understand that the government is just trying to keep this country and the people in it safe, but what is the point of bragging about the United Sates being the "best" country of the "freest" country, when we really, truly are not.

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    1. I agree with Ashlee! The US I think could become a totalitarianism because yes we do have liberties but only to a certain extent. We are allowed to say what we want but only so much.

      Amber McFadden
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  4. Although anything is possible, I don't think the US will ever become a totalitarian system. With every right there are restrictions, but a great deal of the world is set up with limits. We are all familiar with the basic restrictions effecting us at this age, you can drive, but you cannot drive while drinking. You can smoke, but you cannot smoke weed. However there are limits on other things too. You can use other sources when writing a term paper, but you can't copy it as your own. Or you can buy something and return it, but you can't return it unless you have the receipt. There are limits on everything. Political parties are not the only groups of people setting limits. Your employer sets limits on how many unexcused absenses you are allowed. Your teacher decides how late she will accept an assignment. But if there were no limits, you would just see people taking greater advantage of things. The restrictions are there to protect people from abusing the rights and rules already in place. And as for terriorism, I don't see where my rights are being limited to protect me against terrorists. Nothing personally in my life has changed to effect the way I do day to day activity since 9/11, except for the extra hour it takes to get through security in an airport.

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  5. Savannah Snyder PSCI 100.02October 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM

    I believe that it is definitely possible that tolitarianism could take over in the United States. We are said to be free and have these civil rights such as speech, press, and bearing arms, but there is a line that is known not to be crossed. If the line is crossed, there are serious consequences that come along with that. The government is just trying to keep us safe, but they are slowly taking away the few rights that we actually do have. People need to start realize how the government is slowly reastricting us more and more everyday or else tolitarianism is going to take over the US.

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  6. I think it is possible for America to convert to a Totalitarian government. Yes our government says that we have civil rights as Americans, but do we really? Like in our class discussion, our rights are very limited by our government officials. We are intimidated by our government whether we admit it or not. Laws restrict us from living such freedoms as speech and religion. If we state an opinion that offends someone, we can get fined for discrimination. Everything that we do is surveilled, whether we like it or not. Government controls everything we do, because they can.

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    1. I agree with Carissa that we could possibly convert to a Totalitarian government. The government also says that we have civil rights, but really we don't. We have some restrictions to what we can say and do.
      Ashlea McKenze
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  7. I do believe that the U.S could fall under a totalitarians system, but only in hopes to keep the citizens safer. Yes, many aspects of rights have been changed already over the years, but only to secure the citizens of America. I’m not going to complain about the extra hour or so I have to spend in airport security, simply because I know they are measures that need to be taken in order to reduce the chance of another 9/11 instance. There are limits to everyday life to ensure that all laws are being followed in attempt to make this a fair nation. However, those reinforcements are only placed to keep us safe. The only things that are being changed within ones rights are to ensure that we remain a safe nation. I personally would give up some rights in order to feel safe from terrorist.
    Angela Raco
    TR PSCI 100.03

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    1. I disagree with you that America could become totalitarism. We have implemented certain safeguards to keep that from happening. Even if those safe guards failed, many people would rise up in ager that someone or some group of people are trying to abolish this "American way" of government. I do agree however that the war on terrorism is making the nation safer. I too would give up a little but of my libterites to feel safe from terrorists.


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  8. I mean i feel that no one really has the power to change the way America is run and what it stands for. Yes we have a President who makes big decisions but becoming a totalitarian seems really extreme. But unfortunately in life, there are freedoms that we as citizens get to enjoy but once that freedom is abused there are consequences that must take place. The freedoms seem to just dwindle away a little at a time. Fighting terrorism is a big deal also. Like i said earlier, there are freedoms that are available until that is abused and tossed away. Terrorism gets worse and worse and fighting to keep that away is very important but how far do we go? That seems like the answer would be like yes fight it but don't take away my freedoms, but then if something serious happens from terrorism people get scared and want whatever needs to be done to get done. So it is a very debatable topic in my eyes.

    Colin Barry
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  9. I firmly believe that it is very possible for the United States to convert to Totalitarianism. I believe this because the evidence we have discussed in class as well as the article above. It is easy as americans to just go with the flow when we really dont know enough about whats going on around us. We have no idea how much things are changing and that things arent being done these changes. For example the collection of several muslims after 9/11. That was public information but, how many people knew or even cared about it? Its sad to say that as the youth of our nations we are neither well informed or prepared enough to stand up towards our own government and do something about the on going changes untill its to late. I feel as though our civil rights are limited now but to take them away because chaos errupts would be absurd and un heard of in the United States. It just shouldnt happen! Our natural born rights are something we should always have no matter what happens because, without them what is left to protect our well being when the government is in utter chaos? As americans we are so completely oblivious because we think that "it couldnt happen here" but, sadly it is and, the evidence is right infront of us but we arent doing anything.

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  10. Carlos Canino PSCI 100.02October 4, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    totalitarianism is creeping upon us already. OK so maybe we don't praise our leaders as gods but think about the rights as citizens or people, that have been sacrificed in the name of security. Most people either don't know or educated about most activities of the government or they just turn a blind eye the reality of it. Lots of people now believe that America is immune to situations. When 9/11 occurred so many were shocked that it happened here and not some where else. It was easy for the government or a agency to take advantage of the vulnerabilities of the American citizen by taking away more "freedoms" and rights in the name of national security. As a result we move another notch closer to a totalitarian state... sadly

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    1. I defiantly agree with you! this country has changed so much since 9/11

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  11. I feel like it is possible for the United States to turn into a Totalitarian government. BUT I don't think we are ever going to be as strict as places such as Iran or North Korea. But i do feel like already are rights as an individual are not accepted and a lot of times the constituion is over looked when it comes to our rights. Whats the point of having a set of laws and rights when they can't even be followed. There was a good example that was used in class that I would have never thought of and that is taking pictures in public places such as in front of the FBI building. People would stop you, but in reality its our right to take that picture because its a public place. I think new laws are emerging over old laws to point where the old laws are kind of cased out. So i defiantly think it is possible just not to the drastic extent such as North Korea. Think about it, already we have presidents that are trying to take away existing rights.

    Mariah Bacon
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  12. Jordan Redmon PSCI 100.03October 5, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    I think it is completely possible, because people do not believe that they have the ability to change what the government does. And you are always going to have those people who say that the government is doing this for us, they are doing it for AMERICA! so unless the whole nation stands up and says No we do not want this to happen its going to keep going down this same path.

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  13. Do I think that it is possible for Totalitarianism to emerge in the United States? I think that it is possible that it could potentially happen anywhere. I think that pretty much any country could be affected by this. Do I think it will emerge in the US in the near future? I doubt it. I think that we are so obsessed with and proud of our democracy that the US becoming a Totalitarian state anytime soon seems unlikely to me. Perhaps I just take an overly optimistic view of things, but I'd like to think that the US will stay a democracy.

    Veronica Victor PCSI TR 100.03

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  14. I think it could happen anywhere. I do not think the citizens of America would let it happen here. Nor do I think it will happen anytime soon. Americans have pride in the democracy we have and the freedoms that we have and I think that will keep us from becoming totalitarian, for quite a while at that.

    Jena Wright
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  15. Kelli Crider PSCI 100.02October 6, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    I do not think that American is headed down the path of totalitarianism. I believe we as Americans are proud of our freedom. There are many instances where our freedom seems to be compromised for various reasons. For example, we can't always say what we want to say without being criticized for it. This happened with the whole gay marriage Dan Cathy thing a few months ago. People can still have the freedom of speech, but they may get criticized for it and in turn, not say what they want out of fear. This is just a minor example of why people feel like their freedom is being compromised. Again, I do not think that we are headed down this path of totalitarianism because we are too proud of our freedom.

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  16. Personally, I do believe that it is possible for America to become a totalitarian state, as it is already happening. It is not necessary for the government to limit our civil rights in order to fight terrorism, but they will tell us that to keep us quiet. What good does it do the war against terrorism for them to put a bag over our heads so we can't protest? To take away our guns as if we are the opposing force? Or maybe that is exactly why they take them away. America wasn't established on the idea of constraining its citizens, but it is quickly turning that way. In 2006, a woman named Cindy Sheehan, was arrested for wearing a t-shirt that said "2,245 Dead. How many more?" to Bus's state of the union. If they arrest on the grounds of what your shirt says it becomes apparent that things are turning toward totalitarianism. I don't believe we will stop it from happening either. There are those who put their faith in the government and trust that they are doing right, and there are those who realize this is going on but the bystander effect will take place and none of them will step forward to make change. Even if some do, they will promptly be handled just as Cindy Sheehan was.

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  17. I think totalitarianism is possible in the United States. But on the other hand, I think America is just in so deep a situation with everything going on that we need to observe what we see as the result of desperate times. I think that it's just as possible that maybe the Government is simply trying to help make things safer, like they say. I don't have any answers. It is very important to perceive and think about what we observe instead of taking other people's ideas from television or the news media because what YOU see and experience in this country is your own evidence to whatever you think. We should be careful when handing over our rights in the name of security and protection because it becomes a slippery slope from then on.

    Sam Bennett PSCI 100.02

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  18. I think it would be possible for the US to become a totalitarianism country but I don't think it will happen. People come to America to have freedom and not live there lives in fear of the government. I don't see America being okay with anything that the people of North Korea have to put up with. One of the ten features the would never be accepted is "police control and violence." This one really stands out to me because not all the states allow the death penalty. America is a very strict country and has different ways of dealing with punishments in a more private way. Becoming a totalitarian country would install fear in the citizens and not be what people think of America as and strive to make a living here.
    Summer Fitzwater
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  19. Totalitarianism could happen anywhere. The United States can stop it by the citizens not allowing it to occur. Elections are coming up so you know people will be voting but not one person will be able to change the United States and what it does. When someone thinks of America, they think of freedom. They want to come here so that they can be free. Some states in this country have different laws to the state right beside them. It is live a government inside a government.
    Anthony Varbero
    PSCI 100.03

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  20. I think it is very possible. The people of america have freedom and their own rights. I also believe that it most likley not happen. Anything is possible in this life we live, but doesn't mean it will happen. We are on of the most strict countries when it comes to our laws. The citizens will not very happen if this were to happen. Which then could lead to higher crime rates and higher death ratios.
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  21. Kendra Harvey 100.03October 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    I believe that it may be possible for the United States to become a totalitarion governed nation. However, I do not actually think it will happen. Our country already has much less freedom than we think we do as I have come to realize through class discussion. I don't think it would get to be a totalitarian governed country as we have so many systems in place to prevent such a rigid government to come into play. Those systems are there for that reason and for our safety against totalinarianism. This is because our civil liberties are that important for each of us individually and as a nation as a whole.

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  22. I do not think that America is going down a totalitaristic path. America is very proud of our freedom and that's what we stand for. I don't think we will ever become something like North Korea or Iran. Many things have changed over the decade since 9/11 but it is only to help keep us safe. I think Americans are safer now than we were ten years ago, due to the new laws and the War on Terror. Nothing too drastic has changed our day to day lives, or effected our freedom to an extent where we should be worried about totalitarianism. I think totalitarianism is completley opposite of what America stands for. I don't think we could make such a drastic change. Especially a change for the worse.


    Emily Rogers
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  23. It is possible for totalitarian politics to engage in the US. There have been many instances in American history where our civil liberties did not mean anything, and if that happened in the past, then it can happen in the future. In the fight against terrorism it is not necessary to limit civil liberties, but in today's society there are limitations to Americans civil liberties. Most Americans do not even know it because they really don't pay attention to it.

    Cher'ie L. Dixon
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  24. Phillip Rhoden 100.02 MWF 9:10- 10:00October 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Im aware of bad situation that America is in, but it is outrageous that we would think that this country could take a totalitaristic path. this country has built a tradition of being free and allowing the people to make their own choices. i agree that the obama administration is stripping some of our rights from us but i strongly believe that the reason is because of all the craziness the world has experienced in the past couple of years. he is just trying to ensure the safety of the people by pressing the issue.

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  25. I do not believe that it is likely that the United States could become a totalitarian state. The government is becoming somewhat overbearing in the private lives of citizens, but the two things that I think make the conversion to totalitarian state impossible are first the fact that this country was built on equal rights and have fought for these rights for almost 250 years. There has always been opposition to this, but the US is a country that was built on fighting against totalitarianism and oppression. No, this has not always worked out as well as one would want, but it is the mentality that the people of this country have. Secondly, people in this country love to blame problems on the government. If this is the case, then why would the country ban together behind a dictator in order to oppress a minority or defend against a conceived threat?

    Johnathan Ford
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  26. I do believe it would be possible for totalitarian politics to emerge in the US but it is very unlikely we will ever experience extreme conditions. I feel if it came down to it, the citizens of American would take action against the government if the conditions or terms became severe. Our civil liberties are most certainly being constricted and the reason, so the government says, is to prevent terrorism. I don't think that is the underlying reason. It is a good excuse for the government though to invade our personal privacies on a daily basis. Civil liberties are to important to give up. "Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" comes to mind when thinking about civil liberties. Actions do not need to be announced.

    Cody Barrett
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  27. Totalitarian rule is defined as a political system where the state holds total authority over society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life wherever necessary. This will never be a reality within the United States. Our country is regarded as the most ideal democratic system in the world. Our fundamental checks and balances policy keeps the three branches of government in a homeostatic condition. Admittedly, the executive branch has stretched their power with the use of executive orders. Government, as a whole, can not take total control of all aspects of life. It completely defies the core values of our constitution.

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  28. I believe anything is possible. Ergo, I believe that the United States could fall under a totalitarian's system. We, as citizens of the United States, have civil liberties. Those civil liberties go to an extent. We have freedom of speech, but to a certain extent. For example, saying or wearing something with the word bomb at an airport. Due to past experiences, surveillance has increased at airports and other places. September 11th, is a good reason to reinforce security systems at airports. I think security is necessary and I don't mind giving up some rights to keep me safe from terrorist attacks.

    Lauren Williams
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  29. I do beleive it is possoble for a totalitarian governement to emerge in the U.S. but not to the full extent of Japan, Germany, or Italy back in the 40's. There would be certain traits that are from totalatarism but not completely the full extent. We would still live by our constitution but it would be more enhanced or the government would be more involed to do whats best for the country. Though when the governement steps in for the sake of mass security, some people may think the governemnt is having complete control.

    Jordan Rodriguez
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  30. I believe that it's possible for the U.S. to end up with a totalitarian government but definitely not to its full extent. When you look at how our freedoms are slowly being taken away from us you can see the possibility of that type of government emerging in the United States. With our freedom of speech being cut down on and our privacy becoming less and less I believe that we could one day have a totalitarian government.

    Kellyn Butler
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  31. I think the possibility of a totalitarian government could happen, but most likely will not in the United States, unless there was a huge natural disaster or a great world war. I feel only then there would be extreme limitations but would not reach the extent of North Korea. This is so because most Americans have already experienced the privileged life and would start an uprising if it was taken away. As a citizen I feel some limitations are necessary during war time but we should have more choice as to who is in office to make these decisions at these times. Civil liberties should be given to all.
    Anthonie Jefferson
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